October 26

68: Charlie Schreiber, Paradigm Coaching Founder

Charlie is the founder of Paradigm Climbing and he has been coaching climbing athletes from the beginner to elite level for over 17 years. In this episode, we’ll hear about a suspicious supplement sponsorship he had when he was a kid, what his world cup experience was like back in the day, why he thinks competition climbing has turned way too much into not real climbing, and of course everything coaching related.


Show Notes

Guest links:

Paradigm Climbing Website

Instagram

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Timestamps

Timestamps of discussion topics

0:00 - Intro

1:27 - Mad Rock Shoutout!!

2:18 - Insane schedule

7:02 - Getting into climbing, competing, and coaching

11:31 - Sketchy sugar daddy athlete sponsorship??

17:05 - How he would coach his younger self

22:10 - Strengths and weaknesses

26:57 - His experience competing at world cups

36:14 - Coaching goals

38:21 - How personalized does coaching need to be?

52:09 - How to learn movement

55:05 - The importance of spray wall

1:06:18 - AUDIENCE Q: How to improve as a coach?

1:08:48 - World Climbing Setting is too far gone?

1:16:58 - What the US is doing wrong with training

1:22:52 - AUDIENCE Q: Can you tell when a kid will be a v17 climber?

1:27:43 - AUDIENCE Q: Fingerboarding vs board climbing?

1:29:24 - AUDIENCE Q: How to train big dynos?

1:32:09 - AUDIENCE Q: Dream clients?

1:35:14 - Words of wisdom and where to find Charlie

Full Transcript

Show transcript

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Maybe I was, you know, quote unquote being used,

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but it felt like a symbiotic relationship. You

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know, it's this dude like taking my blood and

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doing weird stuff with my blood. Like, I don't

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know. Number one, let them eat spray. That is

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like, that is feed. If you have kids that you're

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coaching, feed them a spray wall diet. That is

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their 50 % of their diet should be spray wall.

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I think that people have to realize that V17

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is not that hard. If you start at a young age.

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When a kid walks in the gym and they hear, dude,

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dude, come check this out. I set this for you.

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You know what fireworks go off in a child? It's

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never give up on a kid. Even if they seem like

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they don't like the sport and it's not clicking,

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never give up. Welcome to another episode of

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the That's Not Real Climbing podcast. I'm your

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host, Jinni, and I'm excited to introduce my

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guest for today, Charlie Schreiber. Charlie is

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the founder of Paradigm Climbing, and he has

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been coaching climbing athletes from the beginner

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to elite level for over 17 years. In this episode,

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we'll hear about a suspicious supplement sponsorship

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he had when he was a kid, what his World Cup

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experience was like back in the day, why he thinks

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competition climbing has turned way too much

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into an not real climbing, and of course, everything

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coaching related. I hope you enjoy this episode

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Now back to the show. How are you doing today?

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I'm good. I've got a big old busy day today and

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I'm just at the The start of it, I've got 280.

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Hold on. It's actually more than that. Oh, no.

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280 messages to go through. Jeez. 13 programs

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to write. This morning I did my social media

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and my comment responses, my DM responses, and

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my emails. I've been going since 7. Wow. Yeah.

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So I've got a full day ahead. That's a lot. We

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started early today as well. Oh yeah. And it

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used to be so much worse. I was working with

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194 people at the peak. Oh my God. And yeah,

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it was too much. Now we're down to, I think like

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115. I haven't been letting people sign up for

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a little over a year now. Wow. Yeah. I thought

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it was going to drop fast, but people don't leave.

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Oh, no. Which is good. It's great. It hurts to

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break up with people and tell them you can't

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sign up again. Well, actually, to be completely

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fair, I did stop accepting anyone to re -enroll.

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I was going to actually make a one -time exception

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for an athlete who I just love working with her.

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But I have to get to the next level of being

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able to help more people. And I can't do that

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while I'm helping a fixed amount of people. And

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so I did in the beginning not let the first couple

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of people come back on because they required

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much more attention. They're just high level

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competitors and I love working with them, but

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they just take so much more time. And that's,

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that's the job. And that's the job I love doing,

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but you can only, you know, it's like Roman Krasnick

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is, you know, like the best coach on the planet

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potentially. He works with the Slovenian team

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and that's it. And so he helps one or a couple

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of people as opposed to somebody that can create

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a ton of programming and guidance and mentorship

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and market that so that you can, my goal is to

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basically make it so I have an, like a whole

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world that someone can enter and just be fostered

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from day one climber. to get as far as they want,

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never doing the wrong thing, understanding the

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exact right way to train and understand the world

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of training and climbing and progression and

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sports science, your body, your mind, all of

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it. And it takes a lot of work to get to that

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point to help millions. That's what I want to

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do. We'll definitely get into what is training

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the wrong way maybe a bit later. I was just thinking

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about what you were saying about Roman and training

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Yanya. And I guess I kind of wonder, like, how

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much do you think is actually coming from his

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coaching versus if Yanya trained with any coach,

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she would still be that good? No way to tell.

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Yeah. No way to know. I don't know what goes

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on behind those scenes. I wish I did. But, you

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know, I think that what you are alluding to is.

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I'd say 95%. There's that correlation of athlete

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being on the trajectory that they're on, and

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then you add the variable of coach. Of course,

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a bad coach can tank you. You can be convinced

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to do the wrong thing, and then you get hurt.

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That's the furthest end of the spectrum. What

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I try to instill in all my athletes, and this

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is what Yanya is, is that a champion becomes

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a champion. A champion is made way before they

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become a champion. And the best in our sport

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were destined to get there because they had the

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right habits. They had the right discipline,

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mindset, focus, people around them, environment.

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I mean, all those things are both internal. and

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externals that they got lucky with. But the internals

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are really what truly make you reach your potential

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or not. And you can have all the best stuff,

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but if you just can't stop climbing when you

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should stop climbing, you'll never get to where

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you could otherwise get. Yeah, I'm sure he probably

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has to hold her back quite a lot. Before we get

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too deep into your philosophy, let's hear a little

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bit more about your background of how you got

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into climbing and then a bit of competing and

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then finally landing on coaching. Sure. I was

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a jock. I was on all sports teams. Baseball and

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basketball were my big ones. And baseball, especially,

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I was on four teams, playing on at least two

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teams all year round. Thought that's what I was

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going to go to college for. Wanted to be in the

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MLB. And I also skated on the side because I

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just loved, I had ADHD. I have ADHD and just

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love the idea of not having to stand there and

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wait for the game to come to me and go get the

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game, be in the game whenever I wanted. Skating

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was like that. And it's also endless variety.

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You have so many different styles of things you

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can do, different tricks anywhere. Every time

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you go to any, gap or stairs or whatever. It's

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always different. And I loved that. And I was

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driving with my parents on the highway. And I

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remember there was an old skate park that was

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attached to my baseball facility that I train

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at. And I asked him if I could go in and get

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a new helmet because I needed one. And I went

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in there and it was no longer a skate park. It

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was a rock climbing gym, the Gravity Vault in

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Upper Sal River. And I just, in that moment,

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I saw those walls. And I've never, I had never

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felt that feeling. And I've never felt it since

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that it was just the most unbelievable awakening

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I had ever experienced. It was the coolest thing

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I ever, cool is a horrible way of describing

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it. It was like, it felt like I discovered another

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planet that I was actually meant to live on that

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planet. And I had always been on the wrong planet.

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That's really what it felt like. And I asked

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him to try it. they let me do two walk -ins in

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a row, which was two, two climbs. And I was like,

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I need to come back. Came back for every day

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for two weeks straight. And then they wouldn't

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let me, my skin was all ripped up. I had tape

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all over my hands and they wouldn't let me do

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it by a day pass again, because they forced me

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to take a rest day. The people at the climbing

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gym. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. And then, well,

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I think they just like. They said, you need to

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take a rest day. You can't keep coming in. You're

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going to get hurt. My mom was like, oh, okay,

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well then let's just not do that. I'm sure she

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had something else to do. I joined the team and

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have not lost that same psych. I lost that psych

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for one, a single two -hour period in my entire

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20 years of climbing and gained it right back.

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You joined the competition team then? Yes. Oh,

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yeah. Wow, after two weeks. No, no, no. I joined

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the intermediate team. And then went up to the

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advanced team the next month and was on that

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team for like maybe four months and then made

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it onto the competitive team. I was lucky with,

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yeah, it was really fast. I knew a kid that was

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on the competitive team when I joined that intermediate

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team. He was actually my neighbor's good friend

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from his school. It's crazy that this kid also

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climbed. And I just, you know, went in and climbed

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with him a couple times and had that. really

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strong climber to chase and i was competitive

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because i grew up in competitive sports and we

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were good friends but i definitely wanted to

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catch him and caught him passed him and then

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there were two kids in my age category uh in

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the state of actually one was in new jersey and

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one was in new york like an hour away and they

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had placed uh first and second at nationals in

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two different years and those kids were incredibly

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strong and skilled and that's who i started hanging

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out with and that's who i started chasing and

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then i caught them and and then i started doing

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open comps when i was 16 and started winning

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some when i was 17 and then won a lot of it was

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probably like 30 of the open comps i would i

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would win in uh like that you know the east coast

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area for like a three year period and had one

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year where i was winning like almost every single

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one And then got hurt when I won the tri -state

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championship. And I went to the World Cups because

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I placed well enough at nationals. And then came

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back. I was trying to make the US team for the

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Olympics. And I got a big sponsor that was paying

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me $2 ,000 a month to train for that. Oh, that

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is not bad at all. Yeah, it was great because

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I was a full -time setter. And that was the thing.

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That's actually a crazy side quest story of how

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I got that sponsorship. Do you want to get into

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it? Yeah, it's actually really wild. Maybe some

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people can learn from it. Yeah. Okay. This is

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a good story for sure. There was this guy whose

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name was Van Merkle. I'm just going to name drop

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him full on. And I worked at a Ninja Warrior

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gym. It was called High Exposure. It was Ninja

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Warrior and climbing. That's where I started

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coaching Adam Shahar and Austin Hoyt. They both

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came to the gym because it was Ninja Warrior.

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And then their first day climbing was with me.

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Yeah. And then I got a chance. That was why I'm

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so close with those kids. That was their first

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day climbing, ran their tryout, coached them

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for their first four years. And yeah, anyway,

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so I'm there and I'm in the best shape of my

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life. I had also just gone on the American Ninja

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Warrior show, was training with Joe Moravsky.

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And I know it was wild time. And this guy comes

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and he just wants to get up the warped wall and

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do the salmon ladder. It was like a long -term

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goal of his. So day one, I get him up the warped

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wall. This guy tips me $500 for an hour lesson

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because I got him up the wall. I was like, whoa.

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And he's from Ohio. I think Ohio. Yeah, he's

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from Ohio. And he flew there, flew to the gym

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just to take this lesson. So he goes home and

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then he flies back the next month. And I had

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been telling him about my dreams to make it to

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the Olympics, but I'm setting, you know, I was

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the only setter of the gym. I was head setting

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this big climbing gym by myself, setting four

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days a week. For about, it was like usually like

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30 -ish hours I would be setting for. And then

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I would coach afterwards. It's a really busy

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schedule. I loved it though. Love, love setting.

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I didn't realize that you were insane. Yeah.

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When I first talked to you. The only reason I've

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gotten here. Yeah. Work. Yeah. Yeah. Just hours

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of work. And so he comes back and he brings me

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this e -stim, which I still have and will still

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use occasionally. It's like a 500 something dollar

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e -stim. And tells me he wants to get me up the,

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he wants to do the salmon ladder. Cause we hadn't

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been able to do it that first day. Just did the

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warp wall, get them up that. And he says, okay,

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so here's, here's another tip for today. Tips

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me $750 now. I'm like, God, what is this guy

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doing? He's like, I also want to make a proposal

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to you. I will. uh what i do is i'm yes i'm a

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chiropractor but i run a health agency in which

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we bring people in we evaluate their blood their

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urine their stool and other things and then we

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give them like pills supplements and vitamins

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and all these things to get your blood and you

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know everything correct you know your vitals

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will look great you won't have any imbalances

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so he did that for me and the deal was he'll

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do that for me And he'll pay me $2 ,000 a month.

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So I don't have to set as much. And all in return

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to go on his podcast and to do it, basically

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be a case study for his work. So he did this

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for me. My wife and I called them Merkle bucks

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because I was just making, it was crazy. And

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I upped the training and I started training for

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sport and speed, getting my time back below where

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I was when I was a youth speed climber. which

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I did at nationals a couple of years. And I was

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feeling great. And I got hurt on like the, like

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maybe the last, I think it was month of training

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before I was deloading for open nationals for

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sport. And I messed up my elbow. I got this strain,

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my collateral ligament pretty bad. I think it

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was a grade two strain because I felt it go.

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And it was my first big injury. And I told him

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that I didn't want to go to nationals because

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I didn't want to go and just show up and lose.

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I didn't want to get like 50th because I could

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barely climb and it hurt. And I didn't go. And

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the deal was I was going. He was doing all this

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so that I would accomplish something great. And

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so he stopped funding me. And that sucked. Yeah,

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I kind of got turned off to the whole pursuit

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of making the Olympics because I felt like I

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was already on the older end and it was already

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going to be a long shot. And once I got hurt,

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that sucked. I got hurt a couple more times after

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that. Once I stopped winning comps, I kind of

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stopped wanting to do the comps because it felt

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like I had peaked and come down and the new generation

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was so good. And I was just a little too competitive.

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It was that, but also I got way more psyched

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on coaching and just saw this whole, I wrote

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out all my goals and like I finished writing

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my goals one day and all of them were coaching

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related with the exception of a grade for climbing.

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And I realized like, whoa, I think I want to

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be a coach, not a professional climber anymore.

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Actually, I think I just like to improve at climbing.

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And so I made the shift. Sorry, I'm still trying

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to like process that story. That's so crazy.

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I guess like also as a coach, like what would

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you tell yourself if you were saying all these

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things about how you don't feel like you want

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to compete anymore because you don't feel like

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you can win anymore? Well, I would tell somebody

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if they felt that they couldn't win and that

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was all they were doing it for, then maybe they

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need to reevaluate their values. and what they

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actually value in the comp experience and what

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it represents. Because I realized somewhat afterwards

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that I love the competitions because of everything

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inside of the comp. And I convinced myself that

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the end, that moment at the end where you receive

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your final placement basically invalidated the

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entire. And I would say things like, you know,

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it's such an investment, you know, flying around

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the world to do this, which I was flying around

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at least the country a lot to do different comps,

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investing money and time. And too much of what

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I wanted was to see progression in my placements.

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And when I was competing in the local comp, it

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felt like I had already done the whole climb

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the ladder, get to the top. And it was. I was

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only living in the gap, which was looking at

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where I am and then trying to achieve this ideal

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forward rather than living in this gain of I've

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already accomplished so much. Every single time

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I compete, I could say, wow, even though I didn't

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win, I mean, not even recognize that, just how

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about look at how much I was able to accomplish

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today coming from where I've... started, which

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was I was just a kid. I never thought I'd be

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winning open comps because that would change

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the experience to, wow, I did so great in qualifiers.

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I was able to send these hard boulders and that's

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so, so sick compared to what I used to do back

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in the day. And I even made finals and I even

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got fourth. I got to compete in front of this

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crowd. I got to represent these brands. you know,

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sponsor me and support me. I got to inspire these

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people and these kids, put on a great show. My

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wife came out. That was great. She was there.

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She got to feel that she was supporting me. And

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instead, I felt like, you know, I go and I either

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win and winning meets expectations. So I net

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zero. It's not like a plus. It's like, yes, I

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win. That's what I do. I've been winning. So

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when I show up, I need to win. So I was setting

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myself up for and I could feel this in turn.

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I just didn't know it at the time was my mindset

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was I show up and I either get a net zero or

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lose. There was no potential for me to win. Yeah,

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that makes sense. And yeah, I was just thinking

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about that story. It just sounds so like kind

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of suspicious in a way. Like almost like a sugar

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daddy kind of situation or. Well, also, as soon

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as you said, maybe off the record, but as soon

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as you said like chiropractor and like weird,

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I don't know, medical things that he was testing

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out, that all sounded really suspicious to me.

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Yeah, he had me taking about 20 different supplements.

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Oh, my gosh. Oh, my God. When I used to have

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a box that was this big. It was, I couldn't fit

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everything in a shoe box. I had a bigger box

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that was full of all the pills and I had to take

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some of them like multiple times a day. So I

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would like go to work and I'd take like a baggie

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with multiple, like multiple bags of pills and

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I would have to be taking them. And he sent a

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guy out to test me in the beginning, sent a guy

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out to test me at the end of a week, couple week

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period. I'll be honest. I was definitely could

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have been placebo, but I was performing. way

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better i was able to do so much more it could

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have been also my training because i was training

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more setting less yeah but yeah it was weird

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in hindsight do you feel like it was like scammy

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or that it was actually a good good opportunity

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i at one point he had mentioned that he because

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i was like dude i don't know why you're giving

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me two thousand dollars a month And he was like,

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well, you know, don't think of it as me just

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doing this as a charitable thing. I am writing

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this off. So like this is also helping my taxes.

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So I don't know if it was scammy as much as I

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was just like, you know, a way that he could

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have this double bonus of getting a case study.

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Maybe I was, you know, quote unquote being used,

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but it was it felt like a symbiotic relationship.

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And he was a genuinely very nice person. I didn't

00:22:01.509 --> 00:22:04.730
feel like I was getting we were like. Is this

00:22:04.730 --> 00:22:07.970
dude taking my blood and doing weird stuff with

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my blood? But no, I don't think so. Okay, interesting.

00:22:12.630 --> 00:22:16.029
So then I do want to get into your whole comp

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experience. You did a lot. You did Boulder, Lee

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Dance Speed. Do you have a favorite discipline

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there? Boulder, for sure. If you're thinking

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back, what were your strengths and weaknesses

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then that you really had to work through? Oh,

00:22:30.289 --> 00:22:34.400
yeah. Well, I... have always been, I've, so I've,

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I've huge hands and I don't like to make this

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excuse, but if we're just talking from a, you

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know, a biomechanics perspective, I am at a massive

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disadvantage just due to my levers and, and,

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and torque. So I have a really hard time with

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smaller holds, but also just like force application,

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rate of force development is just harder for

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large fingers. And smaller edges are going to

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feel even smaller. So in growing up with the

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more classic style, it was a real struggle to

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compete. I definitely I always had the weakest

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fingers of everybody. But I also think that for

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some reason, my bicep and my other pulling muscles

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are very well inserted. And I would always have

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the strongest arms and my background of in other

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sports. helped me feel a lot more coordinated.

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But because I trained at another gym, my main

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gym only set up to V8 plus. So when I got to

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the level where I was climbing around like V11,

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none of the multicolors, which were the V8 plus,

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were hard enough for me to project. So I would

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constantly, every day would be taking away and

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making up my own boulders. And I loved route

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setting. And I had a home wall that I would set

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every day on. And I was obsessive. So I was like

00:24:02.420 --> 00:24:04.740
climbing five days a week, route setting usually

00:24:04.740 --> 00:24:06.559
five. And this is when I was a kid. I hadn't

00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:10.140
even started getting paid for it as a real job.

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And I got very good at understanding beta and

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reading boulder problems and finding breaks like

00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:23.440
crazy. So when I would compete, and also I was

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very early. uh adopter a very early adopter of

00:24:27.789 --> 00:24:30.789
comp style especially with like paddles and dinos

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and even like coordination steps run and jumps

00:24:34.230 --> 00:24:38.470
like i that was my jam so when that started background

00:24:38.470 --> 00:24:43.190
i guess ninja background sure uh but really i

00:24:43.190 --> 00:24:45.549
even before ninja it was just like well actually

00:24:45.549 --> 00:24:47.589
i grew up watching ninja warrior on g4 when i

00:24:47.589 --> 00:24:53.039
was like a kid kid uh in japan so Yeah, they

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had the Japanese version of Ninja Warrior on

00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:58.119
G4 when I was like six or seven. That's when

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I started watching. So good. So I started as

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a competitor with a big weakness of fingers and

00:25:07.609 --> 00:25:12.509
a very large strength in breaking beta, being

00:25:12.509 --> 00:25:14.829
physically strong. So when the holds were bigger

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and moves were bigger and also just quickly had

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to be more technical. Whenever I would get on

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anything that was hard, holding the holds, I

00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:31.480
couldn't campus on anything fingery. I couldn't

00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:34.599
have any margin of error. I had to climb it perfectly

00:25:34.599 --> 00:25:37.059
and very efficiently. That's why my movement

00:25:37.059 --> 00:25:41.220
and technique developed very quickly and explosive

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power to skip poor holds. I used to skip holds

00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:47.940
a ton or cut roots or winding boulders in half.

00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:51.299
And just look for breaks. Well, so with the setting

00:25:51.299 --> 00:25:53.680
style nowadays, do you think that your finger

00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:55.700
weakness would still be an issue? I think no

00:25:55.700 --> 00:26:00.079
matter what, you have a cap. The weaker your

00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:02.920
fingers are, the luckier you have to get. Because

00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:08.440
the best technique in climbing is finger strength.

00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:13.039
By far. It's the best technique. Because it is

00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:17.799
the only thing that multiplies everything. The

00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:19.500
only thing it doesn't multiply is handless slab.

00:26:19.700 --> 00:26:23.279
That's it. Everything else, even if it looks

00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.910
like a jug -to -jug dyno, the person with the

00:26:26.910 --> 00:26:31.250
stronger fingers can get 100%, or as close to

00:26:31.250 --> 00:26:34.890
100 % control and usage of their arms and every

00:26:34.890 --> 00:26:39.369
muscle in their pulling line, whereas someone

00:26:39.369 --> 00:26:43.230
with weaker fingers can maybe only use 90%. And

00:26:43.230 --> 00:26:46.619
it feels like they're using 100%, but it's not.

00:26:47.529 --> 00:26:50.230
That is a huge difference. You notice it when

00:26:50.230 --> 00:26:52.970
you like have an injury in your finger and it's

00:26:52.970 --> 00:26:56.390
like, oh, actually everything hurts. Yeah. Yeah,

00:26:56.470 --> 00:26:59.849
yeah, definitely. And so you had also done a

00:26:59.849 --> 00:27:04.410
couple of World Cups, only two. What, like what

00:27:04.410 --> 00:28:18.519
happened there? Oh, wow. I got on this boulder

00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:22.599
and it was just incredibly uncomfortable. So

00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:27.200
uncomfortable. It felt like it was just set incorrectly.

00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:29.759
It felt like they had set this climb that was

00:28:29.759 --> 00:28:32.039
like, dude, there should have been a foot. Please

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to the show. I got on this boulder and it was

00:29:14.509 --> 00:29:19.150
just incredibly uncomfortable. So uncomfortable.

00:29:19.650 --> 00:29:23.769
It felt like it was just set incorrectly. Felt

00:29:23.769 --> 00:29:25.990
like they had set this climb that was like, dude,

00:29:26.049 --> 00:29:27.950
there should have been a foot. like obviously

00:29:27.950 --> 00:29:29.509
there should have been a foot and this hand is

00:29:29.509 --> 00:29:32.009
turned complete like why is this gaston like

00:29:32.009 --> 00:29:34.769
dead horizontal it shouldn't it should be on

00:29:34.769 --> 00:29:37.390
an angle and that was what i experienced for

00:29:37.390 --> 00:29:40.750
every boulder and i just could not every time

00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:44.769
i'd pull on i'd be like what the where i i can't

00:29:44.769 --> 00:29:47.549
this is just i can't even find the position to

00:29:47.549 --> 00:29:51.230
start generating i i can find no there was you

00:29:51.230 --> 00:29:54.799
know it's like my my calibration my pattern like

00:29:54.799 --> 00:29:57.039
if i was like trying to track and feel the muscles

00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.539
and everything was like you're gonna hold a gimbal

00:29:59.539 --> 00:30:02.039
where it's like trying to calibrate and it's

00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.660
just like doing this yeah that's what every single

00:30:04.660 --> 00:30:07.880
move felt like and i end the round and i got

00:30:07.880 --> 00:30:11.880
one zone that i fought my life out for and this

00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:14.559
was the two hour period where in my whole climbing

00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:17.200
career of 20 years that i lost psych i finished

00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:20.039
that round and so i got dead last 115 out of

00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:26.240
115 and I was just devastated. And like, it didn't

00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.079
click to me, you know, that I didn't sleep the

00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:29.619
night before. Basically, I was so nervous. I

00:30:29.619 --> 00:30:32.519
got like two hours of sleep. I ate so much. Oh,

00:30:32.579 --> 00:30:34.779
it was horrible. I was so nervous. The whole,

00:30:34.819 --> 00:30:37.799
it just, yeah, I was like sleep deprived. I gained

00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:40.480
like five pounds from just eating. I just ate

00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:43.539
way too much food with my parents and so psyched

00:30:43.539 --> 00:30:46.220
on the food. And, uh, and you're just feeling

00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:48.299
bloated and not just, just feeling like crap.

00:30:49.930 --> 00:30:53.009
Yeah. And I felt dejected and told my parents,

00:30:53.130 --> 00:30:55.750
I'm going to quit competition climbing. It's

00:30:55.750 --> 00:30:59.670
clearly not for me. And I cried in their room.

00:30:59.849 --> 00:31:03.549
I'm like 23 years old too. I'm not like a kid.

00:31:03.670 --> 00:31:07.589
Or yeah, I think 22 or 23. And I go back to the

00:31:07.589 --> 00:31:10.309
room that I'm staying in with the American team.

00:31:10.430 --> 00:31:13.710
And Sean Rabatou was my roommate. Oh, really?

00:31:14.049 --> 00:31:17.769
Yeah. And this was like when Giuliano Camerone

00:31:17.769 --> 00:31:21.839
had just... sent his first V15 like a couple

00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:24.319
of weeks before. And so they're not, you know,

00:31:24.339 --> 00:31:27.140
they're bigger names, but they're not huge names

00:31:27.140 --> 00:31:30.240
yet. And he's hanging out with Giuliano and they're

00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:32.220
drinking some wine afterwards. And they're with

00:31:32.220 --> 00:31:34.359
the Ometz brothers who are just really cool,

00:31:34.460 --> 00:31:38.279
strong brothers who I grew up looking up to in

00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:41.380
videos. And I sit down and I'm like, guys, I

00:31:41.380 --> 00:31:43.519
just like, I had the worst comp I've ever had.

00:31:43.700 --> 00:31:46.440
And they were like, dude. what are you talking

00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.940
about, man? You probably climbed so strong. I,

00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.519
I also didn't get a zone on that boulder. Like

00:31:51.519 --> 00:31:54.200
my first comp was horrible, bro. Don't even worry

00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:56.220
about it. You're such a beast. And they were

00:31:56.220 --> 00:31:59.700
so, it was just like, Oh wow. I'm, I'm actually

00:31:59.700 --> 00:32:02.200
not that bad. I just, cause they were like, dude,

00:32:02.259 --> 00:32:03.859
didn't you like not sleep last night? They were

00:32:03.859 --> 00:32:06.400
just being logical, making light of it. And like,

00:32:06.420 --> 00:32:09.660
you're going to crush the next one. And I am,

00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:12.039
I had a glass of wine and I had a great night.

00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.759
And thoroughly enjoyed. We went climbing the

00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:20.299
next day with Daniel Woods and a bunch of absolute

00:32:20.299 --> 00:32:23.079
legends were there at the session. I just loved

00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:26.859
it. Had a great time and came back inspired.

00:32:27.299 --> 00:32:30.140
And I said, I'm going to another one. I'm going

00:32:30.140 --> 00:32:33.559
to the competition in Vail. So God damn it, I'm

00:32:33.559 --> 00:32:36.720
going to set very awkward climbs. And I stripped

00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:39.980
two walls in my gym. And convinced my gym owner

00:32:39.980 --> 00:32:42.980
to let me just set for myself going to the World

00:32:42.980 --> 00:32:44.920
Cups. And I put a couple of holds up for the

00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:49.119
kids too. But I trained on those boulders almost

00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:52.920
exclusively for, I think it was a month and a

00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:57.200
half. And at the next World Cup in Vail, I topped

00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:01.660
two boulders, got four zones, and made it to,

00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.730
I'm sorry, not made it to, but placed 49th. So

00:33:05.730 --> 00:33:09.349
it was a massive, yeah, huge increase. And I

00:33:09.349 --> 00:33:12.450
also just felt better. Did all the right things.

00:33:12.529 --> 00:33:16.950
I went in feeling so good. Got great sleep. Just

00:33:16.950 --> 00:33:19.750
like did all the things I was supposed to do.

00:33:19.950 --> 00:33:22.549
Did you change anything in that month and a half

00:33:22.549 --> 00:33:24.829
training specifically? Or do you think it was

00:33:24.829 --> 00:33:27.609
mostly just the setting weird stuff? It's the

00:33:27.609 --> 00:33:32.329
setting. 100%. Yeah. Well, I'm sure I did. I

00:33:32.329 --> 00:33:35.559
still did on -site rounds. I remember that. but

00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:38.279
it was the movement. It was 100 % the movement.

00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:42.230
I was actually training for awkward climbing.

00:33:42.670 --> 00:33:45.569
I wasn't training for, it's like when you train

00:33:45.569 --> 00:33:49.369
for, you know, if you're a board climber and

00:33:49.369 --> 00:33:52.250
then you get on comp style routes, yeah, it's

00:33:52.250 --> 00:33:53.430
like you could be the best board climber in the

00:33:53.430 --> 00:33:55.130
world, but if you don't know how to do that move,

00:33:55.369 --> 00:33:57.130
you're going to have to solve it. And sure, you

00:33:57.130 --> 00:33:58.789
might be good enough and strong enough to solve

00:33:58.789 --> 00:34:01.710
it, but it'll take you 10 minutes, but you've

00:34:01.710 --> 00:34:04.150
got four. And it was still like the old school

00:34:04.150 --> 00:34:10.530
style setting at this time, right? Yes. I mean,

00:34:10.590 --> 00:34:13.329
new school was definitely there, but it was not

00:34:13.329 --> 00:34:17.179
at all like what it is right now. Not even a

00:34:17.179 --> 00:34:19.699
little bit. You had like maybe one or two coordination

00:34:19.699 --> 00:34:23.079
moves the whole round, maybe. And so, I mean,

00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:25.639
you did a lot better the second competition.

00:34:25.800 --> 00:34:29.500
So why stop there? You did so great. Yeah. Well,

00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.460
that's, uh, that's when I got hurt. Oh, okay.

00:34:32.599 --> 00:34:37.030
Yeah. Yeah. Got hurt and then came back in and

00:34:37.030 --> 00:34:41.769
didn't, didn't win a couple of times. Uh, then

00:34:41.769 --> 00:34:44.929
healed that injury. Finally, I just worked with

00:34:44.929 --> 00:34:47.849
a PT that was, had no idea what they were doing

00:34:47.849 --> 00:34:51.670
and just totally wasted my time. Yeah. The injury

00:34:51.670 --> 00:34:54.820
didn't heal correctly. They actually. what they

00:34:54.820 --> 00:34:57.679
were having me do definitely led to two other

00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.360
injuries that I had. They just, yeah, they were

00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.900
just trying to kick my ass basically with workouts.

00:35:03.019 --> 00:35:05.840
And for some reason I was doing it. I just trusted

00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:09.099
them. And I was so fatigued trying to train,

00:35:09.179 --> 00:35:11.559
which they said was okay. Got two more injuries.

00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:14.760
Stopped working with them and started working

00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:19.440
with a better PT. And yeah, healed those and

00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:23.150
then went into a comp and won and then retired.

00:35:23.659 --> 00:35:25.480
Okay. Well, at least you ended it on a good note.

00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.659
Do you ever think you would go back to competing?

00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:32.699
Maybe not in an international or national way,

00:35:32.820 --> 00:35:36.360
but do you still find joy in competitions ever?

00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.510
Yes, definitely. I do want to go back to competitions

00:35:40.510 --> 00:35:45.539
one day, but I want to go back and I want to

00:35:45.539 --> 00:35:48.320
be able to make the finals and have a chance

00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:52.329
at winning. I do. I do want that. And I like

00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:55.570
being able to play on all the climbs. I don't

00:35:55.570 --> 00:35:57.610
have as much fun when I go out in the finals

00:35:57.610 --> 00:36:01.170
and I know I can't do the moves. It's just not

00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:04.230
that much fun to squirm on a move, one move.

00:36:05.010 --> 00:36:07.530
And no, you can't do it, you know. And you still

00:36:07.530 --> 00:36:09.989
have that winning mindset. Okay. So then that's

00:36:09.989 --> 00:36:12.190
sort of when you started getting into your coaching

00:36:12.190 --> 00:36:14.989
journey. So let's get into that a bit. What were

00:36:14.989 --> 00:36:17.010
some of those goals that you had initially set

00:36:17.010 --> 00:36:19.110
out? When you said that you were like writing

00:36:19.110 --> 00:36:20.869
down what your goals were and then saw that all

00:36:20.869 --> 00:36:23.989
of them ended up being about coaching. Ooh, wow.

00:36:24.190 --> 00:36:28.250
That's a very good, very good question. Um, one

00:36:28.250 --> 00:36:32.630
of them was at one point be coaching a hundred

00:36:32.630 --> 00:36:35.989
climbers, uh, in writing programming for a hundred

00:36:35.989 --> 00:36:41.010
climbers. Another one was help 100 ,000 climbers

00:36:41.010 --> 00:36:44.690
improve at the sport. Cause I always, always

00:36:44.690 --> 00:36:51.110
had, um, my idea was to do like live video coaching

00:36:51.110 --> 00:36:55.630
for like huge groups. Like my mom used to go

00:36:55.630 --> 00:36:58.050
on webinars where like thousands of people would

00:36:58.050 --> 00:36:59.969
be on this webinar watching this guy talk and

00:36:59.969 --> 00:37:02.329
life coach. I just thought that was so cool.

00:37:02.429 --> 00:37:04.989
And my mom would pass on the learnings and it

00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:07.849
really helped me become the person I am today,

00:37:07.909 --> 00:37:11.409
truly in so many positive ways. And I really

00:37:11.409 --> 00:37:13.550
wanted to, that's why I do the weekly webinars

00:37:13.550 --> 00:37:16.880
now, by the way, but that's what I. Would love

00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:18.659
to be able to reach the point where my videos

00:37:18.659 --> 00:37:21.539
are consistently reaching that many people and

00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:25.019
that my programming is guiding them. So another

00:37:25.019 --> 00:37:31.039
goal was to coach somebody to become a national

00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:36.579
champion for all three disciplines, which I did

00:37:36.579 --> 00:37:40.099
achieve, which was great. And then what else

00:37:40.099 --> 00:37:43.059
did I have on that? A couple of financial goals

00:37:43.059 --> 00:37:46.480
that were... Never going to be achieved through

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:48.900
being a professional climber, for sure. I think

00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:53.420
that is it. And I had five. So three, five, 10,

00:37:53.699 --> 00:37:57.360
15, 20 and 25 year goals. Well, yeah, you were

00:37:57.360 --> 00:38:00.219
very disciplined about it. And you've definitely

00:38:00.219 --> 00:38:03.559
reached quite a few of them already so far. I

00:38:03.559 --> 00:38:10.369
was thinking about having so many clients. I've

00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:13.150
had a few coaches kind of casually, and I know

00:38:13.150 --> 00:38:16.469
a lot of people who are always also looking for

00:38:16.469 --> 00:38:19.309
coaching or programs. And I feel like one thing

00:38:19.309 --> 00:38:22.769
I always hear that people want is extremely personalized

00:38:22.769 --> 00:38:25.829
programs, or I hear complaints about getting

00:38:25.829 --> 00:38:31.710
a coaching program that feels generic. How personalized

00:38:31.710 --> 00:38:34.829
do you think programs really need to be in order

00:38:34.829 --> 00:38:40.840
to be effective? Okay, so the... You can take

00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:43.099
so many different approaches to coaching somebody.

00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:48.210
And the habits, the things that are the most

00:38:48.210 --> 00:38:52.389
personal are to who the person actually is. That

00:38:52.389 --> 00:38:55.269
needs to be the most personal. And I know that's

00:38:55.269 --> 00:38:57.889
like, it's not, it sounds like it's dodging the

00:38:57.889 --> 00:39:02.090
question, but like I was saying before, champions

00:39:02.090 --> 00:39:06.130
become champions. So the person that you're coaching

00:39:06.130 --> 00:39:09.809
and coaching is separate from program design.

00:39:10.380 --> 00:39:12.820
Program design and coaching are not the same

00:39:12.820 --> 00:39:16.300
thing. Program design is very simple. And yes,

00:39:16.380 --> 00:39:18.960
you can design a very personalized program. And

00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:25.119
when a person is struggling to find time, struggling

00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:29.199
to achieve a certain thing, or has a major weakness,

00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:33.739
or has a very, very specific goal, that's when

00:39:33.739 --> 00:39:36.099
you get very specific and personalized. Every

00:39:36.099 --> 00:39:39.420
person needs a personalized program because...

00:39:39.730 --> 00:39:42.150
Everyone has a different thing that they're training

00:39:42.150 --> 00:39:43.929
for. Everyone is a different person with different

00:39:43.929 --> 00:39:47.170
strengths and weaknesses. But the most personalized

00:39:47.170 --> 00:39:49.469
thing that you need to do is to mentor them,

00:39:49.530 --> 00:39:52.489
guide them and communicate with them and change

00:39:52.489 --> 00:39:56.329
that person's outlook and align their value system

00:39:56.329 --> 00:39:59.909
with what their true fulfillment actually comes

00:39:59.909 --> 00:40:03.090
from. So I'm somebody who's really fulfilled

00:40:03.090 --> 00:40:06.150
with personal growth, which when you talk to

00:40:06.150 --> 00:40:10.920
anybody who's a climber. depending on how you

00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.659
dictate the conversation on your end, you will

00:40:14.659 --> 00:40:17.420
almost always end up at, yeah, actually, I just

00:40:17.420 --> 00:40:20.219
want to improve. And I just want to improve reliably.

00:40:20.519 --> 00:40:22.719
And some people have a certain destination that

00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:24.960
they've either arbitrarily picked out or been

00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:29.099
inspired to reach. But that person needs mentorship

00:40:29.099 --> 00:40:33.380
on what their big three blockers are, their negative

00:40:33.380 --> 00:40:38.679
habits. If this person places a very low value,

00:40:39.139 --> 00:40:42.059
on sleep. And so they tell you, yeah, I sleep

00:40:42.059 --> 00:40:43.880
all right. All right, well, what's your sleep

00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.119
like? I mean, I'm always consistently sleeping

00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:49.900
at least six hours or more. Oh, so your sleep

00:40:49.900 --> 00:40:53.559
is actually trash. That's what you think is good

00:40:53.559 --> 00:40:56.860
sleep. But that's terrible. If you're an athlete,

00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.179
you should be getting at least eight hours. Ideally,

00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:04.260
you're getting nine plus. And so if you were

00:41:04.260 --> 00:41:07.460
to write someone Give someone a generic plan,

00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:10.000
right? It's just a cookie cutter, pre -written

00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.219
plan. Give them that plan and then fix their

00:41:13.219 --> 00:41:14.940
sleep and get that person to sleep two hours

00:41:14.940 --> 00:41:18.860
extra every night. That will, it's not even going

00:41:18.860 --> 00:41:22.539
to be close to how far they outperform the person

00:41:22.539 --> 00:41:25.199
with a personalized program, fully personalized,

00:41:25.260 --> 00:41:28.789
but is sleeping six hours a night. So there's

00:41:28.789 --> 00:41:32.429
a hierarchy and most people don't touch those

00:41:32.429 --> 00:41:35.630
things. And it's... If you are someone who's

00:41:35.630 --> 00:41:38.389
an athlete, like I'm constantly always an athlete.

00:41:38.429 --> 00:41:40.010
I'm always trying to improve myself as a climber.

00:41:40.170 --> 00:41:42.469
I take that just as seriously as my coaching.

00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:47.670
And I work with a lot of athletes and everyone's

00:41:47.670 --> 00:41:49.269
the same with sleep. Everyone needs a lot of

00:41:49.269 --> 00:41:52.570
sleep. Everyone should be understanding load

00:41:52.570 --> 00:41:55.489
management, what that is. So you have to understand

00:41:55.489 --> 00:41:57.610
that person's mind and their habits. You know,

00:41:57.610 --> 00:41:59.809
where is their stopping point? The questions

00:41:59.809 --> 00:42:02.630
you ask. constantly each week. When you talk

00:42:02.630 --> 00:42:04.250
to them every day, some of these people I communicate

00:42:04.250 --> 00:42:07.289
with, that's the thing that's personalized. Hey,

00:42:07.349 --> 00:42:10.170
dude, how was this last session? Did you stop

00:42:10.170 --> 00:42:13.170
when you were supposed to? I did, but my fingers

00:42:13.170 --> 00:42:14.829
are still a little, you know, they didn't feel

00:42:14.829 --> 00:42:17.429
back to 100%. Okay, well, guess what? You know

00:42:17.429 --> 00:42:21.070
what the plan says? Do 50 % next time. Warm up

00:42:21.070 --> 00:42:23.949
and stop at V5. Leave the gym. Take your shoes

00:42:23.949 --> 00:42:26.150
off. That's it. I know you're a V10 climber.

00:42:26.210 --> 00:42:28.610
You got undercooked. I think that makes sense

00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:30.929
because I remember the first time, the first

00:42:30.929 --> 00:42:33.690
ever coach I had, it was just like someone who

00:42:33.690 --> 00:42:35.949
was at the gym. They were like offering some

00:42:35.949 --> 00:42:38.690
coaching there. And I think I was probably climbing

00:42:38.690 --> 00:42:45.309
like V4, V5 at the time. And his main thing for

00:42:45.309 --> 00:42:47.949
me was he wanted me to keep doing straight arm

00:42:47.949 --> 00:42:49.630
drills. And I was like, what the heck? Is this

00:42:49.630 --> 00:42:52.550
like my first day climbing? I think I know how

00:42:52.550 --> 00:42:55.619
to do straight arms. And only like quite a while

00:42:55.619 --> 00:42:59.099
after that did I realize, oh, like, I guess I

00:42:59.099 --> 00:43:00.920
wasn't very good at straight arms. And then I've

00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:02.559
been doing these straight arm drills and I'm

00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:05.340
like so much better at straight arms now. And

00:43:05.340 --> 00:43:08.619
it helps a lot in my climbing, like being able

00:43:08.619 --> 00:43:12.019
to do harder boulders too, because I can like

00:43:12.019 --> 00:43:15.699
find a straight arm way to do this. And so, yeah,

00:43:15.739 --> 00:43:18.039
thinking back on it. Yeah, I guess that makes

00:43:18.039 --> 00:43:20.840
sense. At like an elite level, does it become

00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:25.719
a lot more personalized? Totally. Yeah. And this

00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:28.800
is the funny thing, though, is it totally does

00:43:28.800 --> 00:43:35.179
if you want it to. But if you look at any of

00:43:35.179 --> 00:43:39.099
the top athletes from any country, the best ones

00:43:39.099 --> 00:43:43.860
always will be the people that are the most focused

00:43:43.860 --> 00:43:46.079
when they're training. They're the ones that

00:43:46.079 --> 00:43:48.860
are always. you know, surrounding themselves

00:43:48.860 --> 00:43:51.639
with other strong climbers that they'd like to

00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:54.280
train with, that they enjoy training with, that

00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.019
don't do too much and don't trash their skin

00:43:58.019 --> 00:44:00.760
often, don't trash their bodies often. Because,

00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:03.039
you know, that first thing, that superpower of

00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.139
working hard and being focused can sabotage you

00:44:06.139 --> 00:44:08.659
sometimes. But these people, they just stop.

00:44:09.059 --> 00:44:10.579
when their fingers are tired. They just don't

00:44:10.579 --> 00:44:12.579
want to climb anymore. It could be a known thing,

00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.159
or a lot of people just have these inherent qualities

00:44:15.159 --> 00:44:16.960
about them. That's just a built -in habit that

00:44:16.960 --> 00:44:19.480
they, yeah, I just don't like when my fingers

00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:21.980
start to feel a little sore, even a little bit,

00:44:21.980 --> 00:44:24.780
or I'm not able to pull as hard. I'm just like,

00:44:24.820 --> 00:44:26.860
I don't want to keep going. And to some people,

00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:30.760
that's asinine. We're climbing. Why would you

00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:35.599
stop unless you just had to? And yes, you could

00:44:35.599 --> 00:44:39.730
have those people. do perfectly specialized training.

00:44:39.869 --> 00:44:42.670
If they're fully bought in, you know, like you

00:44:42.670 --> 00:44:47.070
see videos of Yanya doing very specific balance

00:44:47.070 --> 00:44:50.829
exercises and accessory work. And she's doing

00:44:50.829 --> 00:44:55.369
tons of very, you know, focused work on, it's

00:44:55.369 --> 00:44:59.409
all supplemental to climbing, but that's, that's

00:44:59.409 --> 00:45:01.510
great. She's bought in on that. She likes it.

00:45:01.989 --> 00:45:04.289
That's basically all she probably needs at this

00:45:04.289 --> 00:45:08.019
point because she can't get those things. with

00:45:08.019 --> 00:45:11.239
the time that she has or the finger strength

00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:14.760
that she has or the skin that she has so when

00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:17.699
she's done on the wall and she's you know that

00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:19.760
that link you know that weak link in the chain

00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:22.079
which is the skin maybe is done she's not going

00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:24.199
to keep climbing so she does this other very

00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.599
personalized stuff that's specific to her because

00:45:27.599 --> 00:45:31.159
she needs something specific uh you know she's

00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:32.519
not going to do deadlifts she's not going to

00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:35.610
do squats because it's not extremely pointed

00:45:35.610 --> 00:45:38.630
to the weaknesses that she has or the very specific

00:45:38.630 --> 00:45:41.730
demands that she gets in competition that she

00:45:41.730 --> 00:45:45.110
maybe doesn't, they can't set on the wall all

00:45:45.110 --> 00:45:47.989
the time or, you know, whatever it is. But yeah,

00:45:48.050 --> 00:45:50.730
you can do, I think everyone needs specific work.

00:45:50.789 --> 00:45:52.570
Obviously, like if I have a weakness, I need

00:45:52.570 --> 00:45:56.429
something that targets a weakness, but the other

00:45:56.429 --> 00:45:59.230
things come first, you know, your psych. And

00:45:59.230 --> 00:46:03.250
if it's dangerously close, like Janja could do.

00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:07.260
three extremely specific slab drills and get

00:46:07.260 --> 00:46:08.780
really good at those three specific movements

00:46:08.780 --> 00:46:11.679
if she's highly focused and psyched on it. Or

00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:14.760
she can go with her best friend to a local gym

00:46:14.760 --> 00:46:18.380
that has, you know, 20 comp style slab boulders

00:46:18.380 --> 00:46:21.340
and just do a really fun session and just climb.

00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:26.719
There's no way for us to know which one's going

00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:29.340
to be better for her. There are benefits and

00:46:29.340 --> 00:46:33.389
cons to each one when you compare. This is also

00:46:33.389 --> 00:46:35.070
one of the audience questions that had come in.

00:46:35.190 --> 00:46:37.670
Who are some of the elite level athletes that

00:46:37.670 --> 00:46:40.050
you have coached? And are there any hyper specific

00:46:40.050 --> 00:46:43.190
things that you had to work through them through

00:46:43.190 --> 00:46:49.150
with them on? Oh, yeah. So I would say the easiest

00:46:49.150 --> 00:46:52.809
one to pick out is Adam Shahar, but also Noah

00:46:52.809 --> 00:46:55.650
Wheeler, because we but we made a YouTube video

00:46:55.650 --> 00:46:57.690
that goes pretty into depth about the specifics,

00:46:57.769 --> 00:47:04.119
which we could link here. But Adam. So we did

00:47:04.119 --> 00:47:07.539
the same, you know, thing that I was saying Yanya

00:47:07.539 --> 00:47:11.079
has with Adam in for the first four years where

00:47:11.079 --> 00:47:14.519
it was just, you know, climb with people that

00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.079
you're really psyched to climb with. And here's

00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.440
a crap ton. Here's a spray wall. Get on it all

00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.219
the time. Number one, let them eat spray. That

00:47:22.219 --> 00:47:24.960
is like, that is feed. If you have kids that

00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.239
you're coaching, feed them a spray wall diet.

00:47:27.380 --> 00:47:29.400
That is their 50 % of their diet should be spray

00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.840
wall. Wow. Or boards. I don't care. Whatever.

00:47:32.380 --> 00:47:34.239
But spray is a little better if you want them

00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:37.519
to be good at comps. Also removes that competing

00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:40.960
with the numbers too much aspect. I think it's

00:47:40.960 --> 00:47:43.059
a little healthier and more whole diversity.

00:47:44.170 --> 00:47:49.889
And so we did 50 % of spray and 50 % get on my

00:47:49.889 --> 00:47:52.929
comp style boulders at every single grade. Just

00:47:52.929 --> 00:47:56.570
everywhere, all across the whole gym, every angle,

00:47:56.590 --> 00:47:58.670
every style, no matter what, we're doing it.

00:47:58.929 --> 00:48:00.710
Put them on the wall where they have to go up

00:48:00.710 --> 00:48:04.539
and down handless on jibs. And we would do as

00:48:04.539 --> 00:48:10.900
much as we could in width of specific, not narrowing

00:48:10.900 --> 00:48:13.019
our focus. But then when he got to the World

00:48:13.019 --> 00:48:16.179
Cup level, we did have to focus because he started

00:48:16.179 --> 00:48:19.360
to develop a weakness when I wasn't able to coach

00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.500
him in person more than once a week. So he would

00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:24.340
spend a little too much time on the spray, in

00:48:24.340 --> 00:48:27.099
my opinion. I think that he got unbelievably

00:48:27.099 --> 00:48:30.699
strong on it and then just wasn't going to see

00:48:30.699 --> 00:48:35.039
as many returns. In terms of what he could, you

00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:38.039
know, what stats can he move up for the World

00:48:38.039 --> 00:48:42.079
Cups in order to make his level move up? You

00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.360
know, when you're at a 98 strength and finger

00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:49.380
power, getting to a 99, which will take you,

00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:51.340
you know, like a year of doing it or a whole

00:48:51.340 --> 00:48:55.820
extra two days a week forever. Whereas you can

00:48:55.820 --> 00:48:58.139
just improve your slab, which is right now at

00:48:58.139 --> 00:49:01.960
a 70, bud. And so we would do a lot of slab work,

00:49:02.019 --> 00:49:04.199
a lot of coordination work and very specific

00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:07.119
video analysis and mainly conceptual education,

00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:11.059
because that's how I would regularly beat people

00:49:11.059 --> 00:49:14.000
that were way stronger than me. Like I said,

00:49:14.059 --> 00:49:16.219
I had the weakest fingers. In my opinion, my

00:49:16.219 --> 00:49:18.219
fingers were always the weakest on the circuit,

00:49:18.340 --> 00:49:21.400
even the years when I just would win every single

00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:26.400
comp. I was the weakest, but I understood exactly

00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:30.590
how to move. exactly where to step with the foot,

00:49:30.690 --> 00:49:34.969
exactly which point of my body to pull with,

00:49:35.070 --> 00:49:38.030
how to create trajectory, all of the concepts

00:49:38.030 --> 00:49:41.869
of movement I had dialed in. So when you gave

00:49:41.869 --> 00:49:45.150
me a V10 boulder, sure, everyone else was climbing

00:49:45.150 --> 00:49:48.329
on a V10. I was climbing on a V8 because I was

00:49:48.329 --> 00:49:51.289
doing every move as efficiently as possible.

00:49:51.510 --> 00:49:56.760
Because a boulder is graded by the... consensus

00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.880
of human beings, right? We all agree. Well, guess

00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:02.340
what? Everyone that's part of this, the average

00:50:02.340 --> 00:50:05.280
technique of everyone, let's say out of 100 points,

00:50:05.420 --> 00:50:09.019
is a 60. And their conceptual education, their

00:50:09.019 --> 00:50:11.360
understanding of these things is that like, let's

00:50:11.360 --> 00:50:15.099
say a 60. If you show up with a 90, you get on

00:50:15.099 --> 00:50:17.260
that climb, guess what? Real feel, it's going

00:50:17.260 --> 00:50:20.340
to be way easier for you, assuming your strength

00:50:20.340 --> 00:50:22.340
is held constant to everyone. And that's, you

00:50:22.340 --> 00:50:23.880
know, when your strength is way higher, that's

00:50:23.880 --> 00:50:25.300
when you're like, oh, no, this thing's soft.

00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:28.559
But I know this thing's hard. I'm just doing

00:50:28.559 --> 00:50:32.199
the easiest possible method. So we spent a crap

00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:34.659
ton of time of get on this coordination move,

00:50:34.739 --> 00:50:38.320
get on the slab. Come here. All right. Look at

00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:41.079
this. Now watch your hips. Okay. See what we

00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.900
want to do is and just draw it out. Explain all

00:50:43.900 --> 00:50:47.059
the concepts. Give him my brain. And that was

00:50:47.059 --> 00:50:49.659
what specifically he needed because he was so

00:50:49.659 --> 00:50:52.360
natural. And yes, I coached him on all these

00:50:52.360 --> 00:50:56.190
things for years, but. you know each level you

00:50:56.190 --> 00:51:00.090
get to you need more of a foundation of conceptual

00:51:00.090 --> 00:51:02.630
understandings kind of like in math you know

00:51:02.630 --> 00:51:05.769
when you get to calculus five if you didn't do

00:51:05.769 --> 00:51:08.550
calculus you know if you're at calculus one you

00:51:08.550 --> 00:51:10.550
can't just understand calculus five so you have

00:51:10.550 --> 00:51:13.889
to know two three four to be able to read the

00:51:13.889 --> 00:51:15.769
boulder and understand how to move otherwise

00:51:15.769 --> 00:51:18.690
you're just i guess i'll just go for it and you

00:51:18.690 --> 00:51:20.630
see it all the time even people in the finals

00:51:20.630 --> 00:51:23.360
they just don't understand It drives me nuts

00:51:23.360 --> 00:51:25.039
when I watch comps sometimes and you see someone

00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:29.230
who's so strong and so skilled, but it's just

00:51:29.230 --> 00:51:31.630
so obvious they don't understand simple concepts.

00:51:32.289 --> 00:51:35.210
And quote unquote simple, they are advanced,

00:51:35.389 --> 00:51:39.250
but it's like, dude, why are you loading the

00:51:39.250 --> 00:51:43.130
front foot so early, dude? Your calf in the back

00:51:43.130 --> 00:51:45.510
on your lagging leg doesn't flick at all. It

00:51:45.510 --> 00:51:49.210
just stays neutral. It doesn't even go into plantar

00:51:49.210 --> 00:51:51.510
flexion. to start the dynamic coordination move.

00:51:51.550 --> 00:51:53.889
So you're just generating with 20 % less power,

00:51:54.030 --> 00:51:56.630
which completely you can see that's why your

00:51:56.630 --> 00:51:59.449
arc peaks, you know, two feet early. And that's

00:51:59.449 --> 00:52:01.889
why you're having to paddle. You can't stall.

00:52:02.070 --> 00:52:04.750
It's just like, you know, simple stuff like that,

00:52:04.769 --> 00:52:07.869
that if you teach the kid, they are getting on

00:52:07.869 --> 00:52:10.829
easier boulders across the board. And so how

00:52:10.829 --> 00:52:14.510
did you learn these kinds of things? Or how can

00:52:14.510 --> 00:52:18.039
people who maybe can't afford a coach right now

00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:20.480
or can't have someone watching their stuff in

00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.599
person or over video. Like how do they, how do

00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:25.719
they learn what they don't know? They don't know.

00:52:26.280 --> 00:52:29.349
Yeah. Knowing what you don't know is really hard.

00:52:29.429 --> 00:52:32.550
You got to pay good coaches to, to teach these

00:52:32.550 --> 00:52:37.650
things. Or I've made a video library of 500 plus

00:52:37.650 --> 00:52:42.050
videos of me explaining videos of my clients

00:52:42.050 --> 00:52:43.889
with exactly what I'm talking about. It's just

00:52:43.889 --> 00:52:47.960
exclusively. me in a video drawing, showing the

00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:50.159
conceptual education, teaching biomechanics,

00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:53.280
you know, physics and just sports science and

00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:55.860
movement theory. And you can just go on the discord.

00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:58.280
It's, it's free to join the discord and then

00:52:58.280 --> 00:53:00.820
you just pay for the video library. I don't care

00:53:00.820 --> 00:53:02.460
if you, you know, screen record and keep these,

00:53:02.539 --> 00:53:07.940
but yeah. So other than that, you analyze, you

00:53:07.940 --> 00:53:10.239
just watch every comp that's ever come out. I've

00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:12.860
watched every single competition and I will stop,

00:53:12.920 --> 00:53:16.309
play, stop, play. And I'll just rewatch somebody

00:53:16.309 --> 00:53:20.630
doing it successfully. I used to be like weirdly

00:53:20.630 --> 00:53:23.570
obsessive about it. I would save videos and I

00:53:23.570 --> 00:53:26.110
would drag and create a video where I would have

00:53:26.110 --> 00:53:28.130
the person doing it correctly. It would play

00:53:28.130 --> 00:53:30.989
five times. And then I would watch like on the

00:53:30.989 --> 00:53:33.210
bottom, you know, you just drag two videos, make

00:53:33.210 --> 00:53:35.789
them smaller. And I'd have people doing it five,

00:53:35.809 --> 00:53:37.710
you know, the people that can't do it. Yeah,

00:53:37.730 --> 00:53:39.769
exactly. Five times on the bottom. And I'd watch

00:53:39.769 --> 00:53:42.030
that. So I would, it would basically be ingrained.

00:53:42.489 --> 00:53:44.750
into my brain what's right what's wrong and i'd

00:53:44.750 --> 00:53:47.230
pause and i'd see like you know draw the distances

00:53:47.230 --> 00:53:51.090
and you just need to put some uh lines on a screen

00:53:51.090 --> 00:53:53.849
to understand it and then get multiple angles

00:53:53.849 --> 00:53:56.070
you know when i would session i was obsessed

00:53:56.070 --> 00:53:59.369
with videoing myself profile you know you can

00:53:59.369 --> 00:54:03.230
learn so much by looking at yourself from profile

00:54:03.230 --> 00:54:06.170
everyone shoots from behind you gotta shoot from

00:54:06.170 --> 00:54:07.949
the side if you're always shooting from behind

00:54:07.949 --> 00:54:11.829
you're missing In my opinion, 75 % of what's

00:54:11.829 --> 00:54:17.599
really happening. Everyone sees when you look

00:54:17.599 --> 00:54:20.579
from behind, you're going up and then you're

00:54:20.579 --> 00:54:23.539
coming down. When you look from the side, you're

00:54:23.539 --> 00:54:25.659
seeing how we really come away from the wall,

00:54:25.780 --> 00:54:29.840
which is in and out. And that's trajectory. That's

00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.019
dead pointing. That's tension. That's force,

00:54:32.119 --> 00:54:35.690
truly force leaking. We never shoot up. and then

00:54:35.690 --> 00:54:38.670
slam down onto holds we're going up i mean it's

00:54:38.670 --> 00:54:41.530
rare you know it's micro but we come in and come

00:54:41.530 --> 00:54:44.210
out on virtually every move unless it's completely

00:54:44.210 --> 00:54:46.809
static so especially with coordination and comp

00:54:46.809 --> 00:54:50.989
style it's like so much of it and you were earlier

00:54:50.989 --> 00:54:54.210
earlier mentioning about what did you say something

00:54:54.210 --> 00:54:56.469
about this what was your phrase about the spray

00:54:56.469 --> 00:55:00.289
wall oh let them eat spray yes yeah like like

00:55:00.289 --> 00:55:02.510
um it was i didn't say that when marie antoinette

00:55:02.510 --> 00:55:07.010
said that Okay. Can you explain a bit about why

00:55:07.010 --> 00:55:10.469
the spray wall is so great? I never really got

00:55:10.469 --> 00:55:13.329
into the spray wall because I guess if I had

00:55:13.329 --> 00:55:14.929
a coach, it would be nice to go on a spray wall.

00:55:15.030 --> 00:55:18.489
But me, myself on a spray wall, I'm bad at coming

00:55:18.489 --> 00:55:23.750
up with clients to do. Yeah. So I liken the spray

00:55:23.750 --> 00:55:25.750
wall. The spray wall does the same thing to your

00:55:25.750 --> 00:55:28.710
brain that Lincoln Logs do in the beginning of

00:55:28.710 --> 00:55:33.519
your growth or like Legos. When you are You get

00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:35.500
a bunch of Lego pieces when you're a kid. Let's

00:55:35.500 --> 00:55:36.800
run with that because more people probably know

00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:40.920
Legos. And it's it's nice for your brain to put

00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:43.039
together, you know, when you're looking at a

00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.659
picture and you see, oh, OK, I'm going to make

00:55:45.659 --> 00:55:49.579
this this bug or this flower. I'm going to make

00:55:49.579 --> 00:55:52.139
a rose. OK, cool. And it gives you the step by

00:55:52.139 --> 00:55:55.380
steps. That's nice. But it takes it's mindless.

00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.699
It's like getting on the boards and swiping up

00:55:58.699 --> 00:56:02.559
and pulling up. Oh, cool. Cookie V4. All right,

00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:04.440
well, I'll try cookie V4 and boom, boom, boom.

00:56:04.539 --> 00:56:06.400
Ooh, well, you know what? I don't know how to

00:56:06.400 --> 00:56:08.239
do this. Let me look at all the videos linked.

00:56:08.539 --> 00:56:11.360
Ah, great. There is no thinking going on other

00:56:11.360 --> 00:56:16.420
than how do I execute this move better because

00:56:16.420 --> 00:56:20.960
I know how to do it, but I don't know what I'm

00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.000
doing wrong. But when you have the spray wall,

00:56:23.219 --> 00:56:27.599
you don't have anything. You are given a bunch

00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.500
of random Legos and it says create. whatever

00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:36.719
you want and when you first take legos and you

00:56:36.719 --> 00:56:40.340
know this is like we're looking at any master

00:56:40.340 --> 00:56:44.000
of and of any creative arts you know it's like

00:56:44.000 --> 00:56:46.380
uh or even science you know we piece together

00:56:46.380 --> 00:56:49.340
concepts from everywhere around us but when you

00:56:49.340 --> 00:56:52.300
make a novel discovery through research that

00:56:52.300 --> 00:56:54.800
came from a ton of work and labor and you had

00:56:54.800 --> 00:56:57.670
to create new ideas same thing with like You

00:56:57.670 --> 00:57:00.510
know, any great artist, Picasso. Sure, he sourced

00:57:00.510 --> 00:57:03.449
inspiration from certain things, but he came

00:57:03.449 --> 00:57:06.309
up with this unique style. And his first works

00:57:06.309 --> 00:57:09.050
probably sucked. You know, the first boulders

00:57:09.050 --> 00:57:11.289
you make on the spray for the first two to three

00:57:11.289 --> 00:57:14.570
years are probably going to suck. Picasso put

00:57:14.570 --> 00:57:16.929
in 10 ,000 hours before he started making masterpieces.

00:57:17.309 --> 00:57:20.989
And so now when I look at a spray wall, the thing

00:57:20.989 --> 00:57:23.590
I'm best at in life, it's not even close. You

00:57:23.590 --> 00:57:26.550
can ask any of the boys, any of the kids I've

00:57:26.550 --> 00:57:30.250
ever coached. If you bring me to a wall, I'm

00:57:30.250 --> 00:57:32.710
so much better at this than coaching, than climbing,

00:57:32.849 --> 00:57:36.000
anything. Give me a wall. Tell me what grade

00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:37.800
you climb. Actually, I'll just watch you climb

00:57:37.800 --> 00:57:39.739
for a minute or two. You don't even have to tell

00:57:39.739 --> 00:57:42.579
me what grade. Give me a style. Give me a type

00:57:42.579 --> 00:57:46.960
of move, whatever. Give me a minute, maybe 30

00:57:46.960 --> 00:57:49.179
seconds. I'll give you something that is going

00:57:49.179 --> 00:57:52.159
to be right at your limit. Or you can tell me

00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:53.900
how many tries you want it to be done in. And

00:57:53.900 --> 00:57:55.460
I'll make it so that that's the only way you

00:57:55.460 --> 00:58:01.500
can do it. Damn close. It is. I've put in so

00:58:01.500 --> 00:58:03.900
many thousands, like many thousands of hours

00:58:03.900 --> 00:58:07.579
of just staring and making climbs up. Some never

00:58:07.579 --> 00:58:12.659
even trying for other people. And just that is

00:58:12.659 --> 00:58:15.579
how you can walk up to a boulder and then you

00:58:15.579 --> 00:58:19.300
can see exactly what the possibilities are. Because

00:58:19.300 --> 00:58:22.239
so many times I have my own beta. You know, there

00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:24.059
are people that have done, this boulder has been

00:58:24.059 --> 00:58:26.550
done by a hundred something people. And, you

00:58:26.550 --> 00:58:28.510
know, like everyone that's done it super strong.

00:58:29.590 --> 00:58:32.150
I did it. But I'd use beta that no one else has

00:58:32.150 --> 00:58:36.449
used because I can see 20 options. Whereas someone

00:58:36.449 --> 00:58:38.210
who walks up, it's always good to have more options.

00:58:38.269 --> 00:58:40.489
And the spray wall teaches you that. And it also

00:58:40.489 --> 00:58:42.650
has larger holds and it has more dimensions than

00:58:42.650 --> 00:58:45.469
boards. So for that reason, I think the spray

00:58:45.469 --> 00:58:48.329
is better. It's also more visually appealing

00:58:48.329 --> 00:58:51.030
to me. It's very inspiring with the creative,

00:58:51.150 --> 00:58:55.500
artistic aspect. And yeah, I think that you get

00:58:55.500 --> 00:58:58.800
less hurt on spray walls, obviously, if you're

00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:02.079
just using the average hold set because of the

00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.380
hold variety as well. And so when you're prescribing

00:59:05.380 --> 00:59:08.360
the spray wall to your clients, is it they're

00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.239
supposed to make up their own stuff or are you

00:59:10.239 --> 00:59:14.059
making up stuff for them? 99 % of the time, it's

00:59:14.059 --> 00:59:15.820
they're making up their own stuff. Because if

00:59:15.820 --> 00:59:18.719
I make it up for you, no one becomes Picasso

00:59:18.719 --> 00:59:20.519
if somebody makes the paintings for Picasso.

00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:24.789
Yeah. Yeah. And that's, it's tough to get that,

00:59:24.789 --> 00:59:28.289
you know, imbued into people at the beginning.

00:59:28.409 --> 00:59:30.710
You know, some, most times people do a cycle

00:59:30.710 --> 00:59:34.349
and I make sure not to, you know, give you, you

00:59:34.380 --> 00:59:36.780
know, here's three drills in your week and each

00:59:36.780 --> 00:59:39.119
one you have to create entire boulders. I start

00:59:39.119 --> 00:59:43.099
with find a move or it depends if the climber

00:59:43.099 --> 00:59:45.199
has been climbing for like seven years and they're

00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:48.480
a V12 climber or whatever, you know, I have like

00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:52.079
tiers. It's up here, but like. You're a V4 to

00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:54.179
V5 climber. I'm not having you make up anything

00:59:54.179 --> 00:59:56.579
more than a move at first. And I also have to

00:59:56.579 --> 00:59:59.119
know that you like that. Because, sure, we can

00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:02.380
do that for a whole nine weeks. And if you tell

01:00:02.380 --> 01:00:04.480
me, dude, I really didn't get anything out of

01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:07.019
that drill. And it felt like a waste of time

01:00:07.019 --> 01:00:09.380
each time. And I felt a bunch of shame. Dude,

01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:11.380
this was a great cycle, but I'm sorry. I don't

01:00:11.380 --> 01:00:13.650
want to keep working together. I can't help that

01:00:13.650 --> 01:00:15.949
person now. They never got to see the value.

01:00:16.110 --> 01:00:18.030
And yes, I can explain that over the phone. But

01:00:18.030 --> 01:00:20.809
if I get them for a nine -week period. you know

01:00:20.809 --> 01:00:22.889
there's a whole long term how do i help this

01:00:22.889 --> 01:00:25.550
person reach their goals well i gotta make them

01:00:25.550 --> 01:00:29.030
psyched to stay on the correct best optimal path

01:00:29.030 --> 01:00:31.849
which i know what that is but i gotta you know

01:00:31.849 --> 01:00:34.329
deliver value instantly and every day should

01:00:34.329 --> 01:00:38.880
feel like oh wow oh cool oh great it's um yeah

01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.139
you have to think the whole life cycle well i'm

01:00:41.139 --> 01:00:44.420
just i'm thinking because i hate like spray walling

01:00:44.420 --> 01:00:49.780
and coming up with my own um climbs and i Like,

01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:53.280
it's completely accurate that I can't come up

01:00:53.280 --> 01:00:55.900
with correct. Like, my biggest weakness is also,

01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:59.960
like, finding good beta or, like, even finding,

01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.920
like, the correct beta or the intended beta.

01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:05.699
And so I guess, yeah, it all tracks. All of what

01:01:05.699 --> 01:01:08.320
you just said completely tracks with my climbing.

01:01:08.639 --> 01:01:11.619
So, yeah, I'm convinced. Am I going to work on

01:01:11.619 --> 01:01:15.989
it? I don't know. Like, because my issue is that

01:01:15.989 --> 01:01:19.369
I don't. want to be spending time thinking like

01:01:19.369 --> 01:01:22.309
i'm tired my brain is tired i don't have the

01:01:22.309 --> 01:01:23.989
time to do the thinking which is why i would

01:01:23.989 --> 01:01:26.510
hire a coach to do the thinking for me so that

01:01:26.510 --> 01:01:31.019
i can just go through the motions right and not

01:01:31.019 --> 01:01:33.980
have to do the whole thinking part totally does

01:01:33.980 --> 01:01:36.000
that make sense yeah no it totally does make

01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:39.519
sense um let me let me ask you a question do

01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:46.500
you like um do you like walking everywhere How

01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:48.780
much time would you spend in your life if you

01:01:48.780 --> 01:01:51.719
had to walk everywhere? I don't mind walking.

01:01:51.719 --> 01:01:53.960
I don't mind walking places. It depends on the

01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:56.340
weather, actually. Totally. Let's say you got

01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:59.300
to go get groceries. How long does that take

01:01:59.300 --> 01:02:01.340
to go walk to the grocery store and then walk

01:02:01.340 --> 01:02:05.599
back? 30 minutes. Okay. 30 minutes isn't bad.

01:02:05.659 --> 01:02:08.679
30 minutes there and back? Yeah. How much time

01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:13.119
would it take if you drove? 10. Okay. So 20 minutes.

01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:16.539
How many times do you get grocery per year? Do

01:02:16.539 --> 01:02:18.719
you do grocery shopping once a week? Yeah, once

01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:21.420
a week. Okay. So you do grocery shopping once

01:02:21.420 --> 01:02:26.610
a week, so that's 52 times 20. So that's almost

01:02:26.610 --> 01:02:31.989
20 hours that you would waste by having to walk.

01:02:32.190 --> 01:02:36.670
That's just walking, right? That's just groceries.

01:02:37.730 --> 01:02:43.090
If you were to learn how to drive, sure. Learning

01:02:43.090 --> 01:02:44.929
how to drive, you don't want to learn how to

01:02:44.929 --> 01:02:47.190
drive. Learning how to drive takes time. It's

01:02:47.190 --> 01:02:50.369
freaking hard, man. You get home from work, you're

01:02:50.369 --> 01:02:52.670
exhausted. I don't want to have to now learn

01:02:52.670 --> 01:02:55.369
how to drive a vehicle. You're going to waste

01:02:55.369 --> 01:02:58.889
so much more time in your life trying to figure

01:02:58.889 --> 01:03:02.039
out the best beta. Where if you just devoted

01:03:02.039 --> 01:03:04.420
30 minutes a week to making up climbs on the

01:03:04.420 --> 01:03:06.860
spray wall, you're going to finish climbs faster.

01:03:07.019 --> 01:03:10.260
So you're not going to spend 30 attempts on that

01:03:10.260 --> 01:03:12.630
boulder that's a project. literally doing the

01:03:12.630 --> 01:03:15.590
same moves. You, you benefit 5 % for the first

01:03:15.590 --> 01:03:18.769
five moves, 3%, then two. Now you're just logging

01:03:18.769 --> 01:03:21.489
20 attempts where you're benefiting one to 0

01:03:21.489 --> 01:03:24.070
.1%. Whereas you can move on to the next one

01:03:24.070 --> 01:03:28.329
and get 5%, 5%, 5%, next one, 5%, 5%, 5%. So

01:03:28.329 --> 01:03:32.050
you're not wanting to put in that time is creating

01:03:32.050 --> 01:03:34.690
an enormous amount of time that you're wasting

01:03:34.690 --> 01:03:37.530
in your climbing. And that's what I tried to

01:03:37.530 --> 01:03:40.900
get into people's heads because all of the best

01:03:40.900 --> 01:03:44.969
climbers on earth all of them do a crap ton of

01:03:44.969 --> 01:03:48.409
climbs nobody gets to the top doing a couple

01:03:48.409 --> 01:03:50.769
of climbs you look at all the best the way they

01:03:50.769 --> 01:03:54.769
got to be the best is they sometimes project

01:03:54.769 --> 01:03:57.750
sometimes but the majority of their time they're

01:03:57.750 --> 01:04:01.250
sending things in 5 to 25 attempts that zone

01:04:01.250 --> 01:04:03.489
right there that's your magic the climbs you

01:04:03.489 --> 01:04:06.449
can do in 5 to 25 not climbs that take them you

01:04:06.449 --> 01:04:09.869
know 25 and up or even you know, the climbs that

01:04:09.869 --> 01:04:11.789
they should be flashing and moving on to another

01:04:11.789 --> 01:04:13.809
one and learning a new lesson and getting more

01:04:13.809 --> 01:04:19.679
reps in. Yeah, that's like the big one. Yeah,

01:04:19.780 --> 01:04:22.659
that's definitely the big one for me. And sleep.

01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:28.260
There is still though a, you know, if you were

01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:30.699
to take what I just said at face value, you could

01:04:30.699 --> 01:04:34.260
also then theorize that if I do that, I will,

01:04:34.340 --> 01:04:37.159
the more time I spend creating my own climbs,

01:04:37.300 --> 01:04:41.139
the more I will improve as a climber. And be

01:04:41.139 --> 01:04:44.480
able to see the correct answers. Sure, that's

01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:48.480
true if you continuously improve in that skill.

01:04:48.699 --> 01:04:51.619
And there's a reason why not every root setter

01:04:51.619 --> 01:04:55.239
is incredibly gifted at climbing as well. And

01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:58.940
there's a reason why every board setter or spray

01:04:58.940 --> 01:05:01.599
setter is not incredibly gifted as well. Because

01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.019
people are all different. And everyone starts

01:05:05.019 --> 01:05:08.750
this race. of creative mind and unique ideas

01:05:08.750 --> 01:05:11.230
and exploration. Keyword there is exploration.

01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.599
Many setters are really good at setting 10 different

01:05:15.599 --> 01:05:18.420
things, 10 different movement patterns, 10 different

01:05:18.420 --> 01:05:20.880
styles and moods. That's it. You look at all

01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:23.500
their sets, it's just variations of 10 ideas.

01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:26.699
So those people have hit their limit. That's

01:05:26.699 --> 01:05:29.119
it. They need to either complexify those with

01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:31.920
micro ideas within the concepts. And again, those

01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:37.219
roads are faint. You need to form massive networks

01:05:37.219 --> 01:05:40.059
of roads through all different ideas constantly

01:05:40.059 --> 01:05:42.659
looking at different boulders trying to force

01:05:42.659 --> 01:05:46.159
a new type of movement i used to do so much research

01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:49.099
on let me pull up a new climb and reset this

01:05:49.099 --> 01:05:51.199
move i've never set this move before how do i

01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.760
make it work why it is what i just uh set not

01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:58.679
feeling the same as the boulder okay um oh why

01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:00.840
am i not looking like the guy in the video And

01:06:00.840 --> 01:06:03.119
there's a new idea. Now I'm learning new concepts.

01:06:03.280 --> 01:06:05.559
Same thing on the spray because some people just,

01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:08.980
they do the same and they don't grow. And so,

01:06:08.980 --> 01:06:11.539
and the setter heard that and they were inspired.

01:06:11.980 --> 01:06:14.780
You can't just do the same things over and over.

01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:18.179
Easier said than done for sure. So hard, yeah.

01:06:18.699 --> 01:06:21.340
Well, that brings me to one of the Discord questions

01:06:21.340 --> 01:06:23.300
that had come in. Someone asked, how does one

01:06:23.300 --> 01:06:25.599
improve as a coach? Is practice the best way

01:06:25.599 --> 01:06:28.480
or are there books or classes or certifications

01:06:28.480 --> 01:06:31.480
that you think? people should get? Ooh, that's

01:06:31.480 --> 01:06:35.570
a great question. All of the above. Obsession

01:06:35.570 --> 01:06:39.110
is the best way to become a coach. Complete obsession

01:06:39.110 --> 01:06:43.429
with learning. If you don't know something, research

01:06:43.429 --> 01:06:47.469
it, look it up. One of the best ways to force

01:06:47.469 --> 01:06:50.849
yourself to learn something is to pursue a certification

01:06:50.849 --> 01:06:52.949
that is in direct alignment with your goals.

01:06:53.309 --> 01:06:57.010
The CSCS was like, you know, it was a great challenge.

01:06:57.489 --> 01:06:59.750
i was studying a minimum of four hours a day

01:06:59.750 --> 01:07:02.909
for like eight months to take that test crush

01:07:02.909 --> 01:07:06.389
the test and it was only because i was you know

01:07:06.389 --> 01:07:09.630
had this goal of doing it so i would i was normally

01:07:09.630 --> 01:07:11.909
studying for about you know i'm not gonna lie

01:07:11.909 --> 01:07:15.369
30 minutes some days not a lot to an hour some

01:07:15.369 --> 01:07:18.070
days i've never went above an hour i would always

01:07:18.070 --> 01:07:21.690
like i would today i set a timer usually it's

01:07:21.690 --> 01:07:25.170
a half hour and then i'll just research and just

01:07:25.699 --> 01:07:28.059
For whatever it is that I don't know or want

01:07:28.059 --> 01:07:31.159
to brush up on, pull it up. Watch all the videos.

01:07:31.679 --> 01:07:34.539
Travel around the world. The best way to get

01:07:34.539 --> 01:07:40.480
any information is to research and then experience.

01:07:41.099 --> 01:07:44.550
Because research, it's kind of like anything.

01:07:44.690 --> 01:07:48.730
You can only say so much. Anything I put out

01:07:48.730 --> 01:07:51.289
there in social media or even an article, I can

01:07:51.289 --> 01:07:54.949
only say so many things. The things I leave out

01:07:54.949 --> 01:07:58.039
are... you know 15 subtopics that didn't make

01:07:58.039 --> 01:08:00.500
the cut same thing with a journal article you

01:08:00.500 --> 01:08:03.059
know like you read any publication and sure they

01:08:03.059 --> 01:08:06.139
include a lot but there's so much they did not

01:08:06.139 --> 01:08:09.300
include like all the verbal discussions between

01:08:09.300 --> 01:08:12.099
each other all the you know between the people

01:08:12.099 --> 01:08:16.800
who are in the study so experiencing every aspect

01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:19.579
that you coach you know like if you your clients

01:08:19.579 --> 01:08:22.859
always you know feel fear at height and you don't

01:08:22.859 --> 01:08:25.689
know how to help someone with that Go get on

01:08:25.689 --> 01:08:28.789
something tall and feel fearful and then work

01:08:28.789 --> 01:08:31.029
through that. Look up the ways to work through

01:08:31.029 --> 01:08:34.210
it and then do it yourself. If you don't do that,

01:08:34.270 --> 01:08:40.750
you cannot speak. You're missing 50%. And so

01:08:40.750 --> 01:08:43.250
many people just say, you know, they regurgitate

01:08:43.250 --> 01:08:46.890
what they know through reading, not what they

01:08:46.890 --> 01:08:50.220
have felt and endured. So we'll get into more

01:08:50.220 --> 01:08:52.020
of these coaching questions. I got a bunch from

01:08:52.020 --> 01:08:54.340
the audience later. But before we get into that,

01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:56.640
I want to talk about your thoughts on world climbing

01:08:56.640 --> 01:09:00.260
today. What do you think about the setting in

01:09:00.260 --> 01:09:04.359
world climbing right now? I think it is, it's

01:09:05.699 --> 01:09:08.460
just too, yeah, it's too removed at this point.

01:09:08.779 --> 01:09:11.880
I think that there are good boulders, without

01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:13.899
a doubt. There's some comps where it's great,

01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:19.699
totally. But I feel like they just don't. Realize

01:09:19.699 --> 01:09:24.789
that so many people and so many climbers want

01:09:24.789 --> 01:09:28.350
to climb on boulder problems, not coordination

01:09:28.350 --> 01:09:35.680
problems exclusively. And I just, it really just

01:09:35.680 --> 01:09:38.800
doesn't showcase who's the best climber anymore.

01:09:38.979 --> 01:09:42.460
It's fine to have, because coordination moves

01:09:42.460 --> 01:09:49.140
are now a part of comp climbing. I get it. It

01:09:49.140 --> 01:09:51.460
doesn't have to be. It's not inherently part

01:09:51.460 --> 01:09:54.680
of comp climbing, but it has been, you know,

01:09:54.909 --> 01:10:00.300
associated with, they're basically the same thing

01:10:00.300 --> 01:10:02.840
at this point. And it's called comp style. People

01:10:02.840 --> 01:10:04.560
call things comp style when it's coordination

01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:07.460
where there's huge holds and very dynamic and

01:10:07.460 --> 01:10:10.699
showy. And I get it. It's fun to look at. But

01:10:10.699 --> 01:10:14.140
if you look at, it's funny because if you look

01:10:14.140 --> 01:10:16.680
at Instagram or you look at YouTube and you look

01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:19.399
at the most viewed, you know, when you see hooks,

01:10:19.930 --> 01:10:23.789
When I use hooks, the best hooks are usually

01:10:23.789 --> 01:10:28.729
crazy positions and somebody holding something

01:10:28.729 --> 01:10:34.329
that looks like crap. And we just don't get that

01:10:34.329 --> 01:10:38.029
as much. We get some weird positions. It's funny

01:10:38.029 --> 01:10:39.829
because the best boulders that are always called

01:10:39.829 --> 01:10:43.409
out and showcased in highlights are the ones

01:10:43.409 --> 01:10:46.329
where... You know, it's just they had to do some

01:10:46.329 --> 01:10:49.310
weird, freaky sequence and they just all were

01:10:49.310 --> 01:10:51.590
made uncomfortable and they had to solve it and

01:10:51.590 --> 01:10:55.310
the hold sucked. And they just I think the setters

01:10:55.310 --> 01:10:58.090
just make this bullshit argument. It's just such

01:10:58.090 --> 01:11:01.989
bullshit that it's so hard to separate these

01:11:01.989 --> 01:11:06.470
people because they're all so strong. OK, good.

01:11:07.369 --> 01:11:10.050
Hold that thought. So you're telling me that

01:11:10.050 --> 01:11:13.850
all these athletes are identically strong. in

01:11:13.850 --> 01:11:15.729
all grip types. Is that what you're telling me?

01:11:15.750 --> 01:11:18.170
Their strength to weight ratio are all the exact

01:11:18.170 --> 01:11:22.710
same. Is that true? No, it's not. That's impossible.

01:11:23.189 --> 01:11:25.550
Okay. Let's just say, sure. Is it possible? Yeah.

01:11:25.750 --> 01:11:29.550
In maybe one of the trillion dimensions out there,

01:11:29.569 --> 01:11:33.949
if those exist, but no, no, it's not. Let's be

01:11:33.949 --> 01:11:36.630
real here. So why don't you just set some boulder

01:11:36.630 --> 01:11:39.050
problems and get some real separations? Why don't

01:11:39.050 --> 01:11:41.189
you just do your job a little bit better? Why

01:11:41.189 --> 01:11:43.750
don't you just set these boulders? you know,

01:11:43.750 --> 01:11:45.829
with a group of setters separately, get something

01:11:45.829 --> 01:11:48.409
real close and then replicate that. Sure. We're

01:11:48.409 --> 01:11:50.829
going to see a couple of stopping points, but

01:11:50.829 --> 01:11:52.829
if you know, that's the way that you have to

01:11:52.829 --> 01:11:55.390
force separation, why not make two zones? You

01:11:55.390 --> 01:11:57.050
know, if it's, you have to make a bunch of the

01:11:57.050 --> 01:11:59.989
moves and everyone might fall at one spot. Okay.

01:12:00.050 --> 01:12:02.289
Make the bottom moves a little bit harder. No

01:12:02.289 --> 01:12:06.300
one, no one gets mad when the moves are really

01:12:06.300 --> 01:12:10.720
hard and people achieve a point value and maybe

01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:14.100
one person gets a top. It sucks when you make

01:12:14.100 --> 01:12:16.880
it way too hard, but you can make it so that

01:12:16.880 --> 01:12:19.420
getting the zone is very challenging and then

01:12:19.420 --> 01:12:24.180
getting the top is very hard. I just think that

01:12:24.180 --> 01:12:26.460
they, yeah, they've done it many times before.

01:12:26.539 --> 01:12:29.460
It's not impossible. And they should do more

01:12:29.460 --> 01:12:31.220
boulders like that because it's way more fun.

01:12:31.380 --> 01:12:33.439
The athletes will enjoy it. It's a better representation

01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:37.720
of the actual sport. And I like watching it more.

01:12:37.939 --> 01:12:41.340
I mean, they do set like at least one power boulder

01:12:41.340 --> 01:12:46.109
per round now. Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes. Yeah.

01:12:46.210 --> 01:12:50.109
No, they do. They do. Sometimes. And those are

01:12:50.109 --> 01:12:52.590
honestly the best. Those and the hard slabs are

01:12:52.590 --> 01:12:54.909
the best boulders. What about the setting for

01:12:54.909 --> 01:12:58.680
lead then? Is that kind of good still to you?

01:12:58.819 --> 01:13:01.239
Lead's good. Yeah, just stop making people run

01:13:01.239 --> 01:13:04.460
and jump. I guess I am surprised to hear that

01:13:04.460 --> 01:13:07.260
given your background with Ninja Warrior and

01:13:07.260 --> 01:13:09.619
enjoying that kind of stuff. You want them to

01:13:09.619 --> 01:13:11.560
stay totally separate things? Yeah, well, I want

01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:14.609
to see who the best climber is. That's what it

01:13:14.609 --> 01:13:17.649
is. It's a rock climbing competition. If it was

01:13:17.649 --> 01:13:19.590
an Ninja Warrior competition, I'd want to see

01:13:19.590 --> 01:13:22.850
who the best Ninja Warrior is. If it were a parkour

01:13:22.850 --> 01:13:24.750
competition, I'd want to see who the best parkourist

01:13:24.750 --> 01:13:27.930
is. It is a rock climbing competition. Why don't

01:13:27.930 --> 01:13:31.529
you just let them rock climb? Lead, by definition,

01:13:31.770 --> 01:13:35.930
is long endurance climbing. If you're shutting

01:13:35.930 --> 01:13:37.550
people down at the beginning, we don't get to

01:13:37.550 --> 01:13:42.029
see who the best lead climber is. It's such a

01:13:42.029 --> 01:13:44.770
cop -out. When you're like, let's, we need to

01:13:44.770 --> 01:13:47.489
make this exciting. Let's open up with a, you

01:13:47.489 --> 01:13:50.090
know, a run and press and jump. It's like, dude,

01:13:50.189 --> 01:13:52.210
no. How about you just do your job better? Why

01:13:52.210 --> 01:13:54.010
don't you just make a better route? Like you

01:13:54.010 --> 01:13:57.029
don't need to spice things up at the beginning,

01:13:57.149 --> 01:14:01.109
dude. Like everyone leads already. It's not,

01:14:01.130 --> 01:14:03.649
it's never going to be the most exciting, you

01:14:03.649 --> 01:14:05.670
know, discipline. It's just not, it's not as

01:14:05.670 --> 01:14:08.710
action packed. So just let it be what it is.

01:14:09.149 --> 01:14:11.350
I mean, I guess from like the viewership and

01:14:11.350 --> 01:14:14.810
needing eyes perspective. I mean, you also do

01:14:14.810 --> 01:14:17.750
a lot of content. Totally. You kind of understand

01:14:17.750 --> 01:14:20.750
why they feel like they need to do this in order

01:14:20.750 --> 01:14:25.890
to get sponsors and people who want to play ads

01:14:25.890 --> 01:14:29.329
before or get it on TV and have a lot of viewers

01:14:29.329 --> 01:14:34.090
there. Definitely. 100%. But, you know, golf

01:14:34.090 --> 01:14:37.470
has a ton of viewership. It's very popular. It's

01:14:37.470 --> 01:14:40.520
been around for a lot longer. you know, and broadcasted.

01:14:40.619 --> 01:14:43.359
We just need time. That's, that's really what

01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:45.479
we need. We don't need to dilute the sport and

01:14:45.479 --> 01:14:48.220
warp it to make it exciting. It really is. It's

01:14:48.220 --> 01:14:51.479
honestly, I've always said this and I just, it's

01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:53.840
embarrassing. It feels a little embarrassing

01:14:53.840 --> 01:14:59.039
that we have to masquerade as some, you know,

01:14:59.060 --> 01:15:01.800
we're, we do these exciting, always we're running

01:15:01.800 --> 01:15:05.619
and jumping and it's like not at all what none

01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:08.460
of us got into it because of that. It's not even

01:15:08.460 --> 01:15:10.579
that. I mean, it is inspiring. Don't get me wrong.

01:15:10.699 --> 01:15:12.920
I do like it. It's just it's not everything.

01:15:13.199 --> 01:15:15.520
It would be like if basketball, they were like,

01:15:15.619 --> 01:15:19.819
listen, we're going to do the whole thing is

01:15:19.819 --> 01:15:21.979
going to just be the last four minutes. Like,

01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:23.579
that's it. We're just going to do the game is

01:15:23.579 --> 01:15:26.079
going to be four minutes long. No, dude, it's

01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:29.920
you. The game is entertaining. People like watching

01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:32.520
a basketball game. Real basketball players like

01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:34.680
watching people that appreciate basketball. Sure.

01:15:34.760 --> 01:15:36.619
Basketball is more exciting. More can happen.

01:15:37.210 --> 01:15:40.210
But if you really want viewership, focus on the

01:15:40.210 --> 01:15:43.289
athlete more. People watch documentaries, dude.

01:15:43.449 --> 01:15:45.510
Like way more people watch documentaries. They

01:15:45.510 --> 01:15:48.729
like to listen to people talk. The reason people

01:15:48.729 --> 01:15:50.609
are going to watch is because they're invested.

01:15:51.010 --> 01:15:54.909
I will watch Jesse Gruber, you know, climb in

01:15:54.909 --> 01:15:58.390
slow motion for an hour. Because I grew up climbing

01:15:58.390 --> 01:16:00.590
with Jesse Gruber. I know Jesse Gruber. I feel

01:16:00.590 --> 01:16:03.170
an attachment. No one really... The other thing

01:16:03.170 --> 01:16:05.390
is like we're... We're not really focusing on

01:16:05.390 --> 01:16:09.189
the nations very much, the nationality. The story

01:16:09.189 --> 01:16:11.770
is just no one knows anything about the athletes

01:16:11.770 --> 01:16:13.470
in the World Cup other than what the announcer

01:16:13.470 --> 01:16:17.630
talks about. And it's not that much. In other

01:16:17.630 --> 01:16:19.489
sports, like I was watching the U .S. Open with

01:16:19.489 --> 01:16:23.130
tennis, they get way into it. In between things,

01:16:23.229 --> 01:16:26.649
they see the athlete talking during the commercial

01:16:26.649 --> 01:16:28.630
breaks. You really know these athletes. You know

01:16:28.630 --> 01:16:30.930
what they're going through. You get a lot of

01:16:30.930 --> 01:16:32.989
stats. And I like that they give stats. It's

01:16:32.989 --> 01:16:35.960
great. I think they're just, yeah, they're focusing

01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:38.760
on their own things. It's my opinion. No. Okay.

01:16:38.819 --> 01:16:40.840
I get that. Yeah. I mean, that's partially why

01:16:40.840 --> 01:16:42.739
I wanted to start the podcast because people

01:16:42.739 --> 01:16:45.500
weren't really talking to the comp athletes and

01:16:45.500 --> 01:16:48.460
yeah, golf sucks. I don't want to watch it, but

01:16:48.460 --> 01:16:53.239
yeah, it is really slow. It is slow, but it's

01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:55.619
incredible skill. And if you, you know, you respect

01:16:55.619 --> 01:16:58.340
skill, you'll watch or if you'd like golf. Yeah.

01:16:58.439 --> 01:17:03.140
Makes sense. You also mentioned that. You think

01:17:03.140 --> 01:17:05.960
other countries are kind of doing different things

01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:07.979
with their climbers that the U .S. isn't doing.

01:17:08.260 --> 01:17:11.220
What do you feel like those things are? Yeah,

01:17:11.319 --> 01:17:14.659
so the U .S. has definitely gotten better about

01:17:14.659 --> 01:17:21.539
it. The hub right now is in Salt Lake City. And

01:17:21.539 --> 01:17:24.460
so the best athletes will be in Salt Lake City.

01:17:25.609 --> 01:17:30.130
But even still, a lot of the best athletes that

01:17:30.130 --> 01:17:32.739
live... You know, like they don't live in Salt

01:17:32.739 --> 01:17:34.079
Lake City because they've got their home. They

01:17:34.079 --> 01:17:35.800
don't want to go there or they're just too young.

01:17:35.819 --> 01:17:41.000
They're still in school. There aren't enough

01:17:41.000 --> 01:17:44.479
opportunities given, in my opinion, for those

01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:47.899
athletes to be around other top athletes. So

01:17:47.899 --> 01:17:50.340
you've got a lot of these athletes that train

01:17:50.340 --> 01:17:53.399
by themselves and they're not with a group where

01:17:53.399 --> 01:17:56.659
they're inspired or they're, you know, like the

01:17:56.659 --> 01:17:58.699
best ones at their gym. And that works for some

01:17:58.699 --> 01:18:04.550
people, totally. These other countries have big

01:18:04.550 --> 01:18:08.569
teams. They give a lot to those teams. They fund

01:18:08.569 --> 01:18:12.850
it. And they'll pay them. And they will pay so

01:18:12.850 --> 01:18:14.329
that they have better opportunities, so they

01:18:14.329 --> 01:18:16.489
can travel more, that they can be with other

01:18:16.489 --> 01:18:19.369
athletes. Because the best thing for a top -level

01:18:19.369 --> 01:18:23.189
athlete who's climbing is to constantly be traveling

01:18:23.189 --> 01:18:29.170
to new gyms or to be at a great gym, a great

01:18:29.170 --> 01:18:31.710
facility. And with people that are pushing them.

01:18:32.069 --> 01:18:35.529
Because if you put people together and you have

01:18:35.529 --> 01:18:40.369
a very high ceiling for like a big tank is what

01:18:40.369 --> 01:18:43.029
I used to call it with Adam and Austin. A fish

01:18:43.029 --> 01:18:47.289
only grows as large as its tank. Very few fish

01:18:47.289 --> 01:18:51.090
will continue to grow. It's extremely rare. Some

01:18:51.090 --> 01:18:54.710
do, but very few do. So the average fish will

01:18:54.710 --> 01:18:57.710
grow to the size of the tank. Like if my gym

01:18:57.710 --> 01:19:00.949
that I grew up climbing in. set beyond v8 and

01:19:00.949 --> 01:19:03.489
the highest boulders that they set were v14 i

01:19:03.489 --> 01:19:05.789
would have gotten a v14 because that was the

01:19:05.789 --> 01:19:09.189
ceiling but gyms stop setting that's why the

01:19:09.189 --> 01:19:11.170
boards are so great because they don't have as

01:19:11.170 --> 01:19:14.390
low of a ceiling they have you know v14 and it

01:19:14.390 --> 01:19:16.470
kind of gets muddied at the top where those boulders

01:19:16.470 --> 01:19:18.909
can be way easier way harder a lot of them way

01:19:18.909 --> 01:19:23.710
harder and so i think that these gyms that these

01:19:23.710 --> 01:19:27.010
people are at that our country should probably

01:19:27.010 --> 01:19:29.630
do more of the athlete can't move that they should

01:19:29.630 --> 01:19:33.829
at least be given either a setter or they should

01:19:33.829 --> 01:19:36.329
do something with the gym in cooperation to support

01:19:36.329 --> 01:19:37.869
this athlete and make sure they constantly have

01:19:37.869 --> 01:19:41.130
new boulders or give the athlete a salary so

01:19:41.130 --> 01:19:44.109
that they can travel and get on. It doesn't take

01:19:44.109 --> 01:19:48.069
much to make an athlete, give them that opportunity

01:19:48.069 --> 01:19:51.029
and make their year twice as beneficial for what

01:19:51.029 --> 01:19:54.590
they want to do, which is compete and get to

01:19:54.590 --> 01:19:57.010
new gyms and have to solve new problems, be inspired,

01:19:57.369 --> 01:20:02.060
stay psyched. And yeah, I think in some places

01:20:02.060 --> 01:20:03.899
like Japan, it's just a little easier. You know,

01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:07.340
it's more gyms, denser population because the

01:20:07.340 --> 01:20:10.340
country is just smaller. Yeah. They have the

01:20:10.340 --> 01:20:13.220
gym set incredibly difficult and the setting

01:20:13.220 --> 01:20:17.079
is just so much better on average. So, you know,

01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:20.060
the tank is just bigger there and they're constantly

01:20:20.060 --> 01:20:22.899
around other people that are just so psyched

01:20:22.899 --> 01:20:26.340
and so good. Every gym has like some B16 climber

01:20:26.340 --> 01:20:28.840
in it. So that's your ceiling everywhere. And

01:20:28.840 --> 01:20:30.659
when everyone's like that, it pushes you up.

01:20:30.739 --> 01:20:32.579
It's definitely a bit harder in the US where

01:20:32.579 --> 01:20:35.119
everyone is so spread out and the country is

01:20:35.119 --> 01:20:38.300
big and traveling around is not necessarily like

01:20:38.300 --> 01:20:41.340
a cheap thing to do. I guess it would help with,

01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:45.260
yeah, if they had sponsorships. But I also kind

01:20:45.260 --> 01:20:49.859
of like wonder if it is good to get inspiration,

01:20:50.140 --> 01:20:53.500
but then I'm thinking for people like Yanya,

01:20:53.579 --> 01:20:55.939
where you are the inspiration and you're the

01:20:55.939 --> 01:20:58.720
top. It's like hard to push yourself when you're

01:20:58.720 --> 01:21:01.000
already kind of the best. For people who are

01:21:01.000 --> 01:21:04.159
stuck, how do you push yourself when you're already

01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:07.500
the biggest one? Well, I think at that point,

01:21:07.560 --> 01:21:12.640
if you're the biggest one, if you're already

01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:15.520
thinking that, then you're thinking about it

01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.800
through extrinsic motivation. Your only motivation

01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:24.159
is to be better than other people. And typically...

01:21:24.619 --> 01:21:27.500
And many people do get to the top with trying

01:21:27.500 --> 01:21:30.300
to be better than other people. But you're really

01:21:30.300 --> 01:21:33.220
only ever in any sport and really this one, you're

01:21:33.220 --> 01:21:36.899
only in competition with yourself. So I want

01:21:36.899 --> 01:21:38.619
to get better. I want to get better than I am

01:21:38.619 --> 01:21:43.840
today at something. And so if I'm Janja, I'm

01:21:43.840 --> 01:21:46.380
trying to improve on my weaknesses. I'm trying

01:21:46.380 --> 01:21:48.340
to improve on my strengths. I'm trying to improve

01:21:48.340 --> 01:21:52.420
in every aspect because what's your other option?

01:21:53.100 --> 01:21:55.579
yeah does she just give up on improving yeah

01:21:55.579 --> 01:21:57.840
i guess that's true like she's that's who she

01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:00.479
is that's her life it's like the best of anything

01:22:00.479 --> 01:22:05.270
has to it's just because you're just because

01:22:05.270 --> 01:22:08.149
no one else has been there it's like if the people

01:22:08.149 --> 01:22:13.739
who set the you know the first mile record and

01:22:13.739 --> 01:22:17.199
the first person who ran sub four was like all

01:22:17.199 --> 01:22:20.819
right set done did it yeah i'm already better

01:22:20.819 --> 01:22:23.619
than everyone else like well Someone's going

01:22:23.619 --> 01:22:26.140
to beat you, dude. Obviously someone can beat

01:22:26.140 --> 01:22:29.880
that later. So see how far can I set that mark?

01:22:30.079 --> 01:22:31.800
That's, I guess that's a way you can find an

01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:34.100
extrinsic motivation as well. Like I want to

01:22:34.100 --> 01:22:36.560
make it so that future generations won't be able

01:22:36.560 --> 01:22:39.359
to ever achieve what I've done, but I think it

01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:41.000
needs to come from within. I just want to see

01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:43.960
how far I already have proof of concept. I can

01:22:43.960 --> 01:22:50.260
achieve incredible, you know, limits and I want

01:22:50.260 --> 01:22:53.279
to push them. see what i can do okay so then

01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:55.060
let's get into some of the audience questions

01:22:55.060 --> 01:22:57.819
um i think this first one is very interesting

01:22:57.819 --> 01:23:00.960
um from discord how often do coaches at kids

01:23:00.960 --> 01:23:04.239
level see elite talent and how easy is it to

01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:07.500
recognize is it possible to coach a seven -year

01:23:07.500 --> 01:23:10.819
-old and immediately be able to tell yeah that's

01:23:10.819 --> 01:23:14.640
going to be like a v17 climber uh no you can't

01:23:14.640 --> 01:23:19.039
tell that at seven you can have an idea uh what

01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:24.250
everything When they're that young, I mean, really

01:23:24.250 --> 01:23:27.029
at any age, I mean, here, if I get a seven -year

01:23:27.029 --> 01:23:29.689
-old, you know how I know that they could be

01:23:29.689 --> 01:23:34.380
a V17 climber? If they have all 10 fingers. Okay.

01:23:35.020 --> 01:23:38.699
That's it. If they have all 10 fingers, they

01:23:38.699 --> 01:23:41.420
can be a V17 climber. That's it. They're seven

01:23:41.420 --> 01:23:44.359
years old, right? Adam started when he was nine,

01:23:44.479 --> 01:23:51.750
climbed that V17. So that kid has two years on

01:23:51.750 --> 01:23:54.500
Adam. Kid can just mess around for two years,

01:23:54.539 --> 01:23:58.460
do nothing, still get to V17. And he did V17.

01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:03.289
It didn't take too long. I mean, yeah, it wasn't

01:24:03.289 --> 01:24:07.600
insanely fast, but that's what I think that people

01:24:07.600 --> 01:24:10.720
have to realize that V17 is not that hard. If

01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.500
you start at a young age and you climb and you're

01:24:13.500 --> 01:24:15.340
psyched and you keep climbing and you get into

01:24:15.340 --> 01:24:17.800
outdoor climbing and you just want to do it,

01:24:17.819 --> 01:24:20.939
you just want to get better. sure there's like

01:24:20.939 --> 01:24:25.310
a lot of things you got to do but it's not yeah

01:24:26.140 --> 01:24:28.560
it's not like the the hardest thing in the world

01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.600
it's not like you have to be a prodigy you just

01:24:30.600 --> 01:24:34.680
have to be really psyched and stay really psyched

01:24:34.680 --> 01:24:37.060
and have a parent that will give you the opportunities

01:24:37.060 --> 01:24:40.899
a coach that can show you the way or not you

01:24:40.899 --> 01:24:42.500
just need a parent that can just bring you everywhere

01:24:42.500 --> 01:24:44.899
sometimes you see kids that are naturally gifted

01:24:44.899 --> 01:24:47.579
but you have no idea what they're going to turn

01:24:47.579 --> 01:24:51.520
out to be like you know some kids just Fall out

01:24:51.520 --> 01:24:53.199
of love with the sport. It's all about longevity.

01:24:53.539 --> 01:24:56.399
You know, like Adam could have been twice as

01:24:56.399 --> 01:25:01.039
talented, but had parents that just didn't want

01:25:01.170 --> 01:25:02.609
to take him places. Didn't want to bring him

01:25:02.609 --> 01:25:05.770
to practice more than three days a week. He didn't

01:25:05.770 --> 01:25:08.369
have that. He has the best parents. So does Austin.

01:25:08.750 --> 01:25:12.430
They just did everything for those kids to have

01:25:12.430 --> 01:25:15.510
the best opportunities on the planet. I mean,

01:25:15.529 --> 01:25:20.039
Austin Hoyt is potentially the most. established

01:25:20.039 --> 01:25:23.300
outdoor boulderer he's put the most FAs has done

01:25:23.300 --> 01:25:27.039
the most repeats is unbelievably diverse in his

01:25:27.039 --> 01:25:30.720
styles and one of the reasons was because one

01:25:30.720 --> 01:25:32.220
of the kids the most psyched person I know on

01:25:32.220 --> 01:25:34.300
the planet in climbing he's the only person I

01:25:34.300 --> 01:25:36.520
think that's more psyched than me I openly admit

01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:40.060
that but his dad Craig Hoyt would take him outdoors

01:25:40.060 --> 01:25:43.720
whenever he wanted anywhere and would carry the

01:25:43.720 --> 01:25:45.840
pad and would just be there and Austin would

01:25:45.840 --> 01:25:47.779
carry a pad too but Craig would be there carrying

01:25:47.779 --> 01:25:51.300
pads schlepping around, doing whatever he could

01:25:51.300 --> 01:25:53.739
to support that kid. He is the most supportive

01:25:53.739 --> 01:25:57.979
parent I've ever seen. And Arik Shahar and Dana

01:25:57.979 --> 01:26:01.300
Shahar sent Adam wherever he wanted, training

01:26:01.300 --> 01:26:03.960
camps, sent him to all the comps, and they have

01:26:03.960 --> 01:26:07.119
three kids. They just went above and beyond.

01:26:07.279 --> 01:26:12.029
So any kid with supportive parents. That's the

01:26:12.029 --> 01:26:13.810
biggest thing. Supportive parents or a coach.

01:26:13.949 --> 01:26:17.069
I used to also go crazy above and beyond for

01:26:17.069 --> 01:26:20.189
them. These kids just had two enormous advantages.

01:26:20.869 --> 01:26:24.989
But that's really it. You just need the opportunities.

01:26:25.350 --> 01:26:28.109
If the kid says, I want to go climb, and the

01:26:28.109 --> 01:26:30.670
parents say yes, that kid will get to climb and

01:26:30.670 --> 01:26:32.770
will get better. And if the kid says, I want

01:26:32.770 --> 01:26:34.109
to climb, and the coach says, you're going to

01:26:34.109 --> 01:26:36.720
actually climb these. How cool are these, huh?

01:26:36.840 --> 01:26:39.640
And the kid's like, whoa, this is so sick. I'm

01:26:39.640 --> 01:26:43.319
so psyched. Oh my gosh. Kid couldn't have a talented

01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.359
bone in his body. Could be the least talented

01:26:45.359 --> 01:26:47.500
kid on planet Earth. But if every time they go

01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:49.800
to the gym, their brain is lit up to 10 out of

01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:52.279
10, like every time those kids came in, I had

01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:54.319
something new. And I would, every time they'd

01:26:54.319 --> 01:26:56.000
show up, I'd go, yo, dude, dude, come here, check

01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:58.479
this out. When a kid walks in the gym, if they

01:26:58.479 --> 01:27:00.479
hear, dude, dude, come check this out, I set

01:27:00.479 --> 01:27:02.920
this for you. You know what fireworks go off

01:27:02.920 --> 01:27:06.550
in a child? It's, yeah. And the coach too, like

01:27:06.550 --> 01:27:08.029
I was the best feeling on earth when I'd see

01:27:08.029 --> 01:27:10.069
their eyes light up and they'd be so psyched

01:27:10.069 --> 01:27:11.949
to try it, run back to the bag, get the shoes.

01:27:11.970 --> 01:27:15.310
Like, oh man. So they all have it. Never give

01:27:15.310 --> 01:27:17.270
up on a kid. Even if they seem like they don't

01:27:17.270 --> 01:27:19.770
like the sport and it's not clicking, never give

01:27:19.770 --> 01:27:22.510
up. I had so many kids that for like three, four,

01:27:22.550 --> 01:27:25.189
five years, it was just like, man, this kid's

01:27:25.189 --> 01:27:27.609
just not, he doesn't love it. He doesn't have

01:27:27.609 --> 01:27:29.449
the work ethic. He doesn't want it. And then

01:27:29.449 --> 01:27:31.949
one day that you'd no idea what happens. And

01:27:31.949 --> 01:27:35.989
one day they show up and boom, there it is. and

01:27:35.989 --> 01:27:38.789
game on. And that kid could be a V5, they turn

01:27:38.789 --> 01:27:42.590
14. By 16, they're climbing V15. You've seen

01:27:42.590 --> 01:27:46.909
that? Yeah. Okay, cool. Next one is from Filthy

01:27:46.909 --> 01:27:49.630
Little Crimpses. Thoughts on fingerboarding versus

01:27:49.630 --> 01:27:52.010
board climbing? Is board climbing more applied

01:27:52.010 --> 01:27:56.489
and practical? Answer is yes. I mean, by definition,

01:27:56.510 --> 01:28:02.470
it's more applied, right? Yeah. Practical, totally

01:28:02.470 --> 01:28:07.279
depends. Would you like... advise against fingerboarding

01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:11.689
no i mean that's that's the same would you advise

01:28:11.689 --> 01:28:14.050
against putting weight through your fingers in

01:28:14.050 --> 01:28:17.609
a climbing specific grip yes no i i do actually

01:28:17.609 --> 01:28:19.630
advise that because that's what you do when you

01:28:19.630 --> 01:28:23.770
rock climb so fingerboarding is just statically

01:28:23.770 --> 01:28:27.430
loading i i would advise on uh i would advise

01:28:27.430 --> 01:28:31.510
fingerboarding over climbing uh overboard climbing

01:28:31.510 --> 01:28:35.279
if you've got any injured fingers or you've got

01:28:35.279 --> 01:28:38.000
synovitis or you've got anything that's not going

01:28:38.000 --> 01:28:42.250
to like high velocity finger loading. That's

01:28:42.250 --> 01:28:45.029
what the hangboard is great for just static control.

01:28:45.329 --> 01:28:48.310
Also, if you are a fan of logical progression,

01:28:48.350 --> 01:28:50.909
I think if you're doing any testing or measurements

01:28:50.909 --> 01:28:54.229
and you want to know on an absolute level, am

01:28:54.229 --> 01:28:56.770
I stronger? Use the hangboard, dude. Don't get

01:28:56.770 --> 01:28:59.670
on the board. look at this. I couldn't do this

01:28:59.670 --> 01:29:01.289
boulder, but now I could do it. That's a huge

01:29:01.289 --> 01:29:03.829
improvement. Or I could only do one lap in 10

01:29:03.829 --> 01:29:06.710
minutes. Now I could do three. Okay, great. Are

01:29:06.710 --> 01:29:09.170
you stronger or are you better? Or did you improve

01:29:09.170 --> 01:29:11.930
your RFD or your peak force? We have no freaking

01:29:11.930 --> 01:29:14.869
idea. The hangboard can't really get better at

01:29:14.869 --> 01:29:17.310
that. I mean, sure you can. You totally can.

01:29:17.489 --> 01:29:23.270
It is a skill, hanging, but it's way, way more

01:29:23.270 --> 01:29:25.350
one -dimensional. Pretty simple answer there

01:29:25.350 --> 01:29:28.949
then. Next one from Samantha Bellingham. What

01:29:28.949 --> 01:29:31.529
is the most effective way to train big dino moves?

01:29:31.989 --> 01:29:34.510
You asked for the most effective way to train

01:29:34.510 --> 01:29:37.590
big dino moves. Most effective way is to do big

01:29:37.590 --> 01:29:41.789
dino moves. 100 % Samantha. Do, but here we go,

01:29:41.829 --> 01:29:43.409
Samantha. You're ready for the, because you're

01:29:43.409 --> 01:29:44.810
never going to get that type of answer from me.

01:29:44.829 --> 01:29:47.750
It's just for dramatic effect. Here we go. Big

01:29:47.750 --> 01:29:52.649
dino moves that you can stick, but feel challenging.

01:29:52.989 --> 01:29:57.420
Okay. It was hard. It felt like an RPE, so rate

01:29:57.420 --> 01:30:01.060
of perceived exertion, of, let's say, an eight.

01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:04.079
It was really tough. It wasn't at your limit,

01:30:04.140 --> 01:30:07.479
but it was really tough. Okay, great. Do it again

01:30:07.479 --> 01:30:09.760
and again and again and again until that comes

01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:13.000
down to about an RPE of five or six. Once it

01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:15.260
gets down there, trash it. Get rid of it. Don't

01:30:15.260 --> 01:30:17.319
do that one again. Maybe you come back to it

01:30:17.319 --> 01:30:20.159
two months later if it was novel enough. But

01:30:20.159 --> 01:30:22.600
now go find another one that's an eight. Okay,

01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:24.439
great. If it takes you three, four, five tries

01:30:24.439 --> 01:30:27.359
to stick it, maximum I'd say like, again, five

01:30:27.359 --> 01:30:31.119
to 25. Awesome. Do it again. Do it again. Do

01:30:31.119 --> 01:30:32.819
it again. Do it again. Do it again. Once it becomes

01:30:32.819 --> 01:30:34.479
too easy, get rid of it. Done. You're done with

01:30:34.479 --> 01:30:37.180
it. Move on. Do this with like three of each

01:30:37.180 --> 01:30:40.140
session. If you do that for a month, you're going

01:30:40.140 --> 01:30:43.770
to see incredible returns. That's the trick.

01:30:43.989 --> 01:30:45.869
Don't get caught up on doing ones that are impossible.

01:30:46.710 --> 01:30:48.270
Don't get caught up on doing ones that are too

01:30:48.270 --> 01:30:50.949
easy other than to warm up. Sounds solid. So

01:30:50.949 --> 01:30:54.329
nothing about explosive training, leg stuff?

01:31:19.979 --> 01:31:23.659
Weak link is done. So this is whatever goes first.

01:31:23.819 --> 01:31:25.800
Probably going to be skin or fingers. Let's be

01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:27.840
honest here. Could be power. Could totally be

01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:30.000
pull power in the upper body. Could be legs.

01:31:30.220 --> 01:31:33.500
If those go, but the other ones can still benefit,

01:31:33.779 --> 01:31:36.640
now you leave that and go do supplemental training

01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:39.699
for those. So I just did my dynos. My fingers

01:31:39.699 --> 01:31:43.319
are sore. Great. Grab the bar and do some plyometric

01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:46.000
power pull -ups. Okay, great. My arms are tired.

01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:49.289
Okay, now do... Plyometric legs. Doesn't even

01:31:49.289 --> 01:31:51.869
need to be today. Could be tomorrow. So you're

01:31:51.869 --> 01:31:54.710
just, whenever one has your, you know, the weak

01:31:54.710 --> 01:31:57.609
link of the chain dies, go do the next one. But

01:31:57.609 --> 01:32:01.210
priority is first. Highest power is first. And

01:32:01.210 --> 01:32:04.189
then you go down the chain. Solid answer for

01:32:04.189 --> 01:32:07.869
Samantha. And I just want to keep track of time.

01:32:08.010 --> 01:32:12.229
So I'll just do one last one from show8675. Who

01:32:12.229 --> 01:32:15.149
are your dream clients? Ooh, my dream clients.

01:32:18.149 --> 01:32:23.970
My dream client is somebody who wants to get

01:32:23.970 --> 01:32:28.149
better and wants to learn and likes to ask questions

01:32:28.149 --> 01:32:31.930
about what is it that they don't know? What can

01:32:31.930 --> 01:32:36.000
they get better at? And fills me in on what they're

01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:38.039
thinking, fills me in on what they're doing,

01:32:38.100 --> 01:32:40.920
keeps me updated, really wants to go into the

01:32:40.920 --> 01:32:44.039
weeds of everything, is psyched on learning concepts,

01:32:44.119 --> 01:32:49.000
is psyched on just learning how to do. all the

01:32:49.000 --> 01:32:51.720
right things the right way. It's not someone

01:32:51.720 --> 01:32:55.300
who is just really good and wants to get better

01:32:55.300 --> 01:32:58.779
and kind of knows the ways that work for them

01:32:58.779 --> 01:33:00.920
and they only want to do that and they think

01:33:00.920 --> 01:33:05.319
they know what the right path is. Sometimes those

01:33:05.319 --> 01:33:07.939
climbers are right or they've got a bunch of

01:33:07.939 --> 01:33:10.140
the assumptions correct and they're easy to help

01:33:10.140 --> 01:33:15.020
get better. But I'm much more into taking someone

01:33:15.020 --> 01:33:18.760
who's basically lost. or they're in a dark room,

01:33:18.859 --> 01:33:21.239
giving them a flashlight and then pointing them

01:33:21.239 --> 01:33:23.260
towards the light switch and then walking them

01:33:23.260 --> 01:33:25.460
through the entire house, turning on all the

01:33:25.460 --> 01:33:29.079
light switches. And if there was like one pro

01:33:29.079 --> 01:33:33.760
athlete world series climber that you would want

01:33:33.760 --> 01:33:38.939
to train, anyone come to mind? Adam Shahar. Okay.

01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:41.500
You can't say that. Yeah. That's not fair. What

01:33:41.500 --> 01:33:46.659
a cop out. I know. Oh man. Who I would want to

01:33:46.659 --> 01:33:52.380
train? Oh, no. Well, Imori would be my dream

01:33:52.380 --> 01:33:55.239
to be able to coach Imori. Interesting. Because

01:33:55.239 --> 01:33:58.939
she would be so easy to make a champion. If she

01:33:58.939 --> 01:34:02.119
were down to just let me take the wheel, I really

01:34:02.119 --> 01:34:03.920
think I can make Imori the best in the world.

01:34:04.159 --> 01:34:07.680
Just because of the lack of willing to commit

01:34:07.680 --> 01:34:11.079
to dynamic moves. Yeah, just lack of power. Yeah.

01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:15.329
That's it. Yeah. I mean, the thing is, I would

01:34:15.329 --> 01:34:18.109
think it's not like, I can't imagine that she

01:34:18.109 --> 01:34:20.149
doesn't know that that's her weakness. I think

01:34:20.149 --> 01:34:23.029
she's probably just unwilling to do that. So

01:34:23.029 --> 01:34:24.989
that's kind of like the opposite of your dream

01:34:24.989 --> 01:34:28.270
client, right? I know. I know. But if I could,

01:34:28.489 --> 01:34:32.729
that's the thing though. It's like, I can see,

01:34:33.029 --> 01:34:37.359
it's just like the most black and white, I guess.

01:34:37.380 --> 01:34:40.979
Like there's an issue and it's like, and then

01:34:40.979 --> 01:34:42.779
she's clearly - So easy to fix. Yeah, so easy.

01:34:43.340 --> 01:34:46.600
But maybe, oh man, I don't know. That's a really

01:34:46.600 --> 01:34:49.420
great question. I want to say Meji, but that's

01:34:49.420 --> 01:34:50.739
just because I like him because he's a really

01:34:50.739 --> 01:34:55.130
nice person. We talk sometimes, but I don't know

01:34:55.130 --> 01:34:58.090
because Meji is so well -rounded. I don't know

01:34:58.090 --> 01:35:01.850
how much I'd be able to give him in terms of

01:35:01.850 --> 01:35:04.270
like revolutionizing his climbing. I mean, I

01:35:04.270 --> 01:35:07.449
know I could help him get better, but I don't.

01:35:08.109 --> 01:35:10.210
Yeah, I want to work with someone who has a crap

01:35:10.210 --> 01:35:13.760
ton of opportunities. If you ever think of anyone

01:35:13.760 --> 01:35:16.760
else, let me know. But yeah, I think that's all

01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:18.420
the questions I had then. Thanks for joining

01:35:18.420 --> 01:35:21.100
me today. Any other things you want to shout

01:35:21.100 --> 01:35:23.100
out or last minute words of wisdom that you want

01:35:23.100 --> 01:35:25.159
to get out there? Not really. I guess just raising

01:35:25.159 --> 01:35:29.539
awareness of if anyone has been inspired by any

01:35:29.539 --> 01:35:34.239
of the things that I'm saying and any of my ideas

01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:36.600
towards teaching people the right way and making

01:35:36.600 --> 01:35:40.529
sure that people have a life in this. long career

01:35:40.529 --> 01:35:42.729
in climbing and do it the right way and the best

01:35:42.729 --> 01:35:45.270
way possible is that that's why I created the

01:35:45.270 --> 01:35:48.829
bouldering progression formula was so that people

01:35:48.829 --> 01:35:51.390
can go through a full year and experience what

01:35:51.390 --> 01:35:54.689
it's like to truly train the right way and see

01:35:54.689 --> 01:35:57.430
the long -term improvements that come from when

01:35:57.430 --> 01:36:00.090
you stay consistent and learn all the right things

01:36:00.090 --> 01:36:02.649
through that year because I'm confident that

01:36:02.649 --> 01:36:05.149
when people come out of that and you've improved

01:36:05.149 --> 01:36:07.609
two to three grades in a year and you've learned

01:36:07.609 --> 01:36:10.380
through that experience that the rest of your

01:36:10.380 --> 01:36:13.539
career takes care of itself because now you have

01:36:13.539 --> 01:36:16.020
all of the understandings you know the right

01:36:16.020 --> 01:36:18.680
habits the way to approach it the way to you

01:36:18.680 --> 01:36:22.000
know manage your load and approach each day with

01:36:22.000 --> 01:36:24.920
the intention of improving that skill on that

01:36:24.920 --> 01:36:28.579
day within that focused phase where that's your

01:36:28.579 --> 01:36:32.000
focus of that you know two month period and i

01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:35.770
think people are just so scattered because one

01:36:35.770 --> 01:36:37.909
we're presented with so many ideas and also climbing

01:36:37.909 --> 01:36:42.720
seems so different at every move that you make

01:36:42.720 --> 01:36:47.159
whereas if you focus it's kind of everything

01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:49.020
it's like we're always distracted but if you

01:36:49.020 --> 01:36:52.420
focus on the right things at the right time the

01:36:52.989 --> 01:36:55.770
climbs take care of the you know the variety

01:36:55.770 --> 01:37:00.399
whereas your focus should be you know pinpointed

01:37:00.399 --> 01:37:02.680
basically but uh and it doesn't have to feel

01:37:02.680 --> 01:37:05.100
like training it can it can be very fun and uh

01:37:05.100 --> 01:37:08.729
yeah so that's really what i've my tool that

01:37:08.729 --> 01:37:10.899
i'm trying to use to to accomplish that hundred

01:37:10.899 --> 01:37:14.760
thousand people goal in a profound way okay and

01:37:14.760 --> 01:37:16.420
then do you want to tell people where they can

01:37:16.420 --> 01:37:18.840
find you and find all your links i'll also add

01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:21.319
them down below but oh yeah paradigm climbing

01:37:21.319 --> 01:37:24.319
coaching on instagram and paradigm climbing on

01:37:24.319 --> 01:37:27.640
youtube and i have a tick tock but i don't post

01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:30.850
enough and my website's paradigmclimbing .com

01:37:30.850 --> 01:37:33.050
well thank you again it was amazing to talk to

01:37:33.050 --> 01:37:35.189
you you too thank you so much for having me this

01:37:35.189 --> 01:37:38.720
is so much fun Thank you for listening to this

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01:37:41.300 --> 01:37:43.760
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